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Bush Budget Scraps 9,790 Border Patrol Agents
San Francisco Chronical ^

Posted on 02/10/2005 10:37:48 AM PST by redhawk

Bush budget scraps 9,790 border patrol agents President uses law's escape clause to drop funding for new homeland security force.... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/02/09/MNGOKB837T1.DTL

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; bordersecurity; immigration; ins
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To: skip_intro
I understand that.... I don't agree with the cuts. I just don't think that more agents = more security. The last time I was in Miami I walked into a store where nobody spoke English. This was a major convenience store chain and the three employees couldn't answer me in English. I'd be willing to bet that they're not all citizens.

What I want to do is start rounding these folks up and shipping them back to whatever godforsaken country they came from. Unless we are willing to do that, the problem will not go away.

21 posted on 02/10/2005 10:52:52 AM PST by Terpesman
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To: redhawk
We can spend $2.2 BILLION dollars this year for our UN contribution, but we can't protect our borders.

Welcome to the New World Order.

22 posted on 02/10/2005 10:53:24 AM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: Magnum44

Unfortunately the President has consistently shown weakness on border issues, and the story is probably true. I wouldn't mind even a super-liberal paper like the Chronicle highlighting this, as most of the MSM doesn't give a rat's backside for the border issues and actually wishes the floodgates would open.

Not that I wouldn't mind if someone did prove the story wasn't true... I'd like to believe the President stands with us here.


23 posted on 02/10/2005 10:55:13 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: VictoryGal

Stories true. Here's another link.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3030786


24 posted on 02/10/2005 10:58:00 AM PST by redhawk
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To: redhawk

But we still have the border guarded by robotic planes, fences, and the Rio Grande...AND THE LAW. /sarcasm


25 posted on 02/10/2005 10:58:10 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Terpesman

Well if the current immigration laws were enforced (mainly the fines for employers of illegals) and the federal/state benefits taken away, they would have no reason to come in the first place. That and an effective border security should do the trick.
Not so hard to figure out...makes me wonder why it is so hard for the politicians to comprehend.


26 posted on 02/10/2005 10:58:45 AM PST by sheana
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To: Terpesman
I searched and searched and searched, but couldn't find the smiley face anywhere in your post indicating you're joking.

You're saying that with a stright face? So what's "the right equipment", Mr. Brainiac?

27 posted on 02/10/2005 10:59:59 AM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has never led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Terpesman

the only duty expressly stated in the constitution is that the federal is responsible for the nations security. not education, not grants to religious institutions aor entitlements.

the president is not being responsible. before i get flamed, i should state i'm a libertarian and i don't appreciate the weird discretionary spending not connected to keeping us safe.


28 posted on 02/10/2005 11:00:52 AM PST by ny demimonde
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To: sheana
You can use all the high tech equipment you want to find/track em but it still takes manpower to hunt em down, detain em and send/deport em back where they came from. High tech is useless without the manpower to back it up.

We've already got more border intruders than the agents can handle. All the high tech equipment will do is show that we have even more border intruders and that we still don't have enough agents to intercept and process all of them. Troops on the border is the answer until things slow down.

29 posted on 02/10/2005 11:01:56 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: TexasCowboy

Face it, we have borders in name only. Binos.


30 posted on 02/10/2005 11:01:58 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: sheana; Terpesman
You can use all the high tech equipment you want to find/track em but it still takes manpower to hunt em down, detain em and send/deport em back where they came from. High tech is useless without the manpower to back it up.

You are absolutely correct.

Just look at the 10 million dollar UAV program for the Border Patrol. The UAV's detected over 800,000 illegal aliens crossing the borders, but they BP only apprehended a little over 2,000 of those.

Just one small fact the Feds don't want you to know about.

You can go here to read more about it.

31 posted on 02/10/2005 11:03:43 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: redhawk
Bush budget scraps 9,790 border patrol agents

Actually, the budget increases funding to support an additional 210 border patrol agents. As with all government programs, this "cut" is based on a projected future level, not an actual current level.

32 posted on 02/10/2005 11:04:09 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: monkeywrench

The New World Order, sometimes called "Multicultural Diversification", can be extrapolated into "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."


33 posted on 02/10/2005 11:06:35 AM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: kevkrom
Actually, the budget increases funding to support an additional 210 border patrol agents.

In reality, the budget calls for reducing the BP by 280 in 2005.

The BP has an attrition rate of approximately 500 Agents each year. So if you hire 210 Agents, you are reducing the BP's manpower by 280.

We are about to spend 37 million dollars to make the BP smaller.

34 posted on 02/10/2005 11:06:45 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: sheana
Well if the current immigration laws were enforced (mainly the fines for employers of illegals)

I wouldn't wait for that to happen. I love free enterprise as much as the next conservative, but unfortunately I think Bush believes that an employer's right to pay the lowest wage possible trumps our national security. Sigh. What can we do to fight this? You'd think the President would be loyal to the people who put him in office. I'm really disappointed.
35 posted on 02/10/2005 11:07:14 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: kevkrom
Exactly. The reason why they do not need so much man power is because we will be using technology. For instance, the predator and other drones to spot people.

I love the deception that is used on this message. It is trying to make it look as if Bush wants to cut the current level by almost 10,000 boarder patrol agents. Typical of the leftist. This is why I do not trust any newspaper or media headline.
36 posted on 02/10/2005 11:07:24 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: kevkrom

there are other programs to make cuts. please don't mess with the nation's security.


37 posted on 02/10/2005 11:08:12 AM PST by ny demimonde
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To: Taylor814

ping


38 posted on 02/10/2005 11:09:22 AM PST by Taylor814
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To: redhawk

The bushes and the clintons have been playing a cruel joke on us since 1988. hillary says she is gonna do something to curb illegal immigration, dontcha know. vote hillary.


39 posted on 02/10/2005 11:10:03 AM PST by RedwM
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To: skip_intro

You forgot 5 billion to Africa for Aids.

The border problem is simple Bush and other RINOs try to confuse the real answer so that most Americans are dumbfounded and go along with their lame excuse for us being helpless to stop illegals. Just three simple things and illegals will not only not come here they will leave
1) Take away all the benefits (no federal no state...nohting)
2) Penalize employers with substantial fines and make it stick - need to be aggressive
3) Optional if 1 $ 2 are enforced - Build a wall (approx 8mill/mile) very cheap when you consider the cost of agents and support equipment costs per year. This is a one time expense.

All are low technology and could be in place within 6 mos (except for wall). Illegals would be gone in a year. Taxes would be reduced, hospitals better, schools better, crime reduced, insurance premiums reduced, better wages, etc.....


40 posted on 02/10/2005 11:10:34 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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