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To: kjvail
That's nonsense too, the political spectrum is not a circle.

Just sayin'...
There are different paths.. different viewpoints..

The Exact center of this revised "Nolan chart" is total Anarchy...

I can easily envision a "chart", circular in nature, that places anarchy at point 0 degrees.. in which different degrees of freedom and control result in a merging at the 180 degree mark.. which is a Totalitarian government..
Whether one reaches that point through democratic liberalism to socialism to Communism, or from conservatism to authoritarianism to fascism, is irrelevent..

The end result is the same..
Total control, Zero Freedom...

91 posted on 02/10/2005 9:41:17 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

This is getting silly. Left wing and right wing are shorthand originally derived from the seating arrangements of the French revolutionary National Assembly.

I tend towards the view that such shorthand is practically useless in a world where Tony Blair is supposedly a man of the left while Jacques Chirac is supposedly a man of the right.

However, I do tend to think that the words "National" and "German" are more important than "socialist" in Nazi - the socialist bit was very much an afterthought by the "old" Nazis and you really wouldn't have wanted to be a leftist of even the most moderate stripe with the Gestapo on the loose.

I'll keep on saying it. Decent US conservatives should not imagine for a moment that they have anything in common with any of these Euro neo-Nazis. They are Hitler worshipers who, given half a chance, would have the gas ovens back up and running as quick as you could say "Juden raus".


94 posted on 02/10/2005 9:59:13 AM PST by Killing Time
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To: Drammach
The fundamental problem with this type of chart is it democracy biased. Democracy does not equal freedom, it never has and it never will. History teaches us quite the opposite actually as is well illustrated in the classic Liberty or Equality

The American model – democracy – must be regarded as a historical error, economically as well as morally. Democracy promotes shortsightedness, capital waste, irresponsibility, and moral relativism. It leads to permanent compulsory income and wealth redistribution and legal uncertainty. It is counterproductive. It promotes demagoguery and egalitarianism. It is aggressive and potentially totalitarian internally, vis-à-vis its own population, as well as externally. In sum, it leads to a dramatic growth of state power, as manifested by the amount of parasitically – by means of taxation and expropriation – appropriated government income and wealth in relation to the amount of productively – through market exchange – acquired private income and wealth, and by the range and invasiveness of state legislation. Democracy is doomed to collapse, just as Soviet communism was doomed to collapse.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe

Demokratie. Der Gott, Der Keiner Ist’

As entertaining as it can be to banter will the average democratist I have work to do and I know its pointless in any case. Democracy is in the blood of Americans I think, we are programmed with it from birth along with the automatic assumption that all other forms of government = tyranny. Buchanan was half-right, the West is dying - he just fails to identify the root cause - demon-cracy.

95 posted on 02/10/2005 9:59:17 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: Drammach
I was looking at your chart and wondering where in the world you could come up with the concept of a "Libertarian Dictatorship", but then I read your home page.

to quote; "Sympathetic to Libertarians, but feel they need direction."

lol.... I suppose you don't even see the irony of this do you?

I guess no one will ever mistake you for a libertarian.
103 posted on 02/10/2005 10:23:40 AM PST by monday
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