A resurgent right (Germany's Extreme Right Gathers Strength)

expatica ^ | 10 Feb 2005 | expatica

[Rembrandt_fan]

"Embracing Stalins (sic)"?

Sorry, red-baiting simply doesn't work against a conservative Republican. I'm also sorry I let our difference of opinion on categorizing totalitarian idealogies degenerate into this. I apologize for any personal slight you may have perceived in one of my earlier responses. That 'you have no point' remark of yours put me in full retaliation mode.

[monday]

"The article says the NPD is anti-semitic. So far, I see no evidence."

from the article; "A commentary in the party newspaper, "Deutsche Stimme" (German Voice), provides just one example: "The Torah is the original document of Jewish hatred of (other) nations."

[monday]

"They are all socialist brothers, fighting among themselves. To call them "rightists" is disingenuous as usual."

Exactly. They both want to use the power of the state to oppress, they just disagree on who it is that should be oppressed.

[Drammach]

Here's a link for you two on Totalitarianism, & it's comparisons of Nazism and Stalinism..
Just your meat and potatoes..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

[monday]

"Those that know something about German politics, is there any party that would be close to mainstream conservatism in Germany?"

I believe the Christian Democrats would be closest.

[Soul Seeker]

Thank you!

[Rembrandt_fan]

Thanks, I'll check it out. It's just that the burning need felt by some to comfortably categorize things, throwing everything into the same basket for the sake of readymade convenience, strikes me as a kind of intellectual laziness.

[Soul Seeker]

Thank you! :-)

[longjack]

German ping.

longjack

[Commie Basher]

Although the distinction between political philosophies is probably hair-thin, Hitler, influenced by Mussolini, steered his political philosophy and that of the party toward Facism.. While both include state monopoly/control of all facets of life and an Authoritarian rule, Facism includes the ideology of rule through racial superiority..

Actually, no. Unlike National Socialism, Fascism was not originally racist. Up until 1938, Jews were prominent in Itay's Fascist government. Then Mussolini buckled under Hitler's pressure and began removing Jews from his government and party.

Initially, Fascism was even more purely socialist than Naziism. Mussolini only started the Fascist Party because he'd been expelled from the Socialist Party in a power struggle.

[Commie Basher]

Although the distinction between political philosophies is probably hair-thin, Hitler, influenced by Mussolini, steered his political philosophy and that of the party toward Facism.. While both include state monopoly/control of all facets of life and an Authoritarian rule, Facism includes the ideology of rule through racial superiority..

Actually, no. Unlike National Socialism, Fascism was not originally racist. Up until 1938, Jews were prominent in Itay's Fascist government. Then Mussolini buckled under Hitler's pressure and began removing Jews from his government and party.

Initially, Fascism was even more purely socialist than Naziism. Mussolini only started the Fascist Party because he'd been expelled from the Socialist Party in a power struggle.

[Mark17]

Nazi'ism is not rightist.

As soon as I saw "extreme right," I was suspicious. Where do these clowns get the idea that the political spectrum is a circle? They are all a bunch of left wing, liberal, socialist, pinko commie geeks.

[monday]

This might help you shed some light on what is considered left and right. The political map actually has four compass points, left, right, authoritarian, and libertarian.

Fascism is far right and authoritarian, while socialism is far left and authoritarian. What makes them similar is their reliance on the power of the state to enforce their narrow views on the rest of society.


Go here to see where you are on the political spectrum. It's a quick 30 second multiple choice quiz;

http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html

[Westerby]

Nazi "fascism" was simply socialism dressed in a military uniform.

[TheForceOfOne]

Nazi is short for Nationalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
or National Socialism which equals the agenda of the DNC.

[Petronski]

National Socialist German Workers' Party.


I'm not disagreeing with you, just providing the backgrounder.

[expatpat]

let us not forget that the Nazi's mortal enemy during it's political infancy was the Communists.

That doesn't prove that they weren't leftists -- both factions were competing for the left-wing vote, and power. Kinda like the Shi'ia and the Sunni are Muslims in competition.

The Nazis, although they called themselves "socialist", were not. They were Totalitarians.

There is no problem with them being both socialists AND totalitarians -- the communists always find that easy to do.

[Mark17]

Nazi "fascism" was simply socialism dressed in a military uniform.

Although I have always thought the communists were as bad, if not worse than the Nazis.

[layman]

"Another NPD commentary warns that immigrants are threatening what it terms "the continent of the white nations with disintegration and decomposition".

In other words ... if the present government won't do anything about Muslim immigration, we will.

[TheForceOfOne]

Took it, told me I was a Libertarian, go figure.

LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.