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NHL Fans Are Sick, Tired
Winnipeg Sun ^ | February 7, 2005 | Ken Fidlin

Posted on 02/09/2005 6:37:29 PM PST by SamAdams76

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To: SamAdams76

I think that in keeping with their playoff structure, they should wait until sometime in May, announce a one-game schedule with the winners of each game going on to the playoffs. One game first round playoffs, and 3 game 2nd and later round playoffs.

What the hell, introduce something new into the game as well. Start letting the ice thaw at the start of the game. When it becomes to slushy to play, the game is called with the winner being the team that's ahead.


81 posted on 02/09/2005 9:05:40 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Libloather
Do hockey fans really have anything else better to do right now?

Actually, no. This weekend The Michigan Striped Weasels, errrr, Wolverines come to town for a weekend series. Thank The Lord for hockey apart from the NHL! Game-On!

82 posted on 02/09/2005 9:07:50 PM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: ConservativeLawStudent
The salary cap is not socialistic. The Yankees do not compete against the Red Sox. They compete against Desperate Housewives and Six Flags and the new Star Wars movie. The Yankees benefit from the existence of the Royals and the Twins, but none of those teams receives any cut of the cable money that the Yankees receive from their exclusive market position. If you want to argue that the salary cap is bad, that's fine, but you have to allow teams to relocate to New Jersey, Long Island, Connecticut and Manhattan. Considering true market forces, there should be about 7 teams in the NY metro area.
83 posted on 02/09/2005 9:07:57 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: baseballfanjm
I prefer soccer. Hockey's fine though. I'll watch anything, really, but soccer is one of the few sports I really enjoy.

The best use of a soccer field is a good, fast, (and somewhat violent) game of Lacrosse!

Mark

84 posted on 02/09/2005 9:12:38 PM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: 1L

We aren't on the same page. There is no duty for the NHL to negotiate in GF, so we're not talking about that standard which would be actionable.

However, the NHL is purporting to be actively negotiating with the players, which they are not. They have hardly budged. That is perfectly fine. But don't tell me how hard you're negotiating when all you're actually doing is basically resubmitting your same offer over and over.


85 posted on 02/09/2005 9:46:59 PM PST by ConservativeLawStudent
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To: AmishDude

MLB doesn't have a salary cap. Apples and oranges


86 posted on 02/09/2005 9:48:54 PM PST by ConservativeLawStudent
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To: ConservativeLawStudent

Hockey isn't a sport .


87 posted on 02/09/2005 9:49:10 PM PST by hineybona
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To: SamAdams76

Actually, I think the NHL will fold and new league replace it. Bad TV contracts go away, any old business just disappears including overly paid players.

I would like to see hockey do the following:
Drop ticet prices to the level of say.. baseball.
Drop the BS over fighting and let the guys duke it out as they used to. No pansies allowed on the ice please.


88 posted on 02/09/2005 9:56:05 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby!)
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To: MarkL

I've actually watched lacrosse on TV. As I said, i'll mwatch most anything. It was surprisingly fun.


89 posted on 02/09/2005 10:00:59 PM PST by baseballfanjm
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To: baseballfanjm

mwatch=watch


90 posted on 02/09/2005 10:01:21 PM PST by baseballfanjm
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To: ConservativeLawStudent

MLB needs one.


91 posted on 02/09/2005 10:08:47 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude

Re: MLB - I would not be opposed to stiffer penalties for breaking the limits, but I hate the cap, which is absolute.

I think if you've got the money and are in a window where you have a few years to contend, that team ought to be able to tip the scales for a few years.

The Yankees don't just tip the scales, they knock them over and set them on fire. I think they exceeded the spending limit by over $100 million last year? The problem right now is the penalty is stiff enough to deter most teams, but not the Yankees. I think a better system would place a progressive penalty for violating the limit which gets steeper each successive year the team exceeds the limit.


92 posted on 02/09/2005 10:34:51 PM PST by ConservativeLawStudent
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To: Job03
Yeah, the NHL is a mess, but maybe the AHL will replace it. Here in Connecticut we have two good AHL teams in Hartford and Bridgeport - let the NHL go, the AHL games are just as enjoyable to watch and actually affordable for a family.

I have had some AAA hockey league experience as a devotee of the short-lived San Francisco Spiders. I can't afford good seats at a Sharks game, but got decent seats at the antiquated Cow Palace for the Spiders. The team sucked for the first month, but caught fire after a trade, and ended up winning more games in their first (and only) season than the Sharks won in their first two.

IHL hockey wasn't NHL hockey by any means. But after being forced to watch college and amateur puck on cable, a downgrade to the AHL may not matter.

94 posted on 02/09/2005 10:52:19 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (NHL Owners and Players: Take the advice of Benjamin Franklin - "Unite, or die.")
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To: MarkL
But that all changed with that last baseball strike. I have no doubt that there are a lot of (former) NHL fans that feel the same way.

I used to live for baseball season. Despite the ineptness of the management of my Giants year-by-year, I would go to breezy, dumpy Candlestick Park just in case the G-men happened to win one when I was there -- after all, even the worst teams win about sixty games a year.

What nearly killed my love for baseball was the way that striking major leaguers boldly predicted that fans would come crawling back. I felt like I was being treated like a battered wife, slinking home to cook dinner for some profane A-shirted bum. When Selig dictated that the players flip third out fly balls to the fans, it was a small gesture, but I accepted it. I am still a baseball fan, but the owners and the players have damaged our relationship forever. It will never be the same.

I have noticed that hockey players have no such arrogance. That's keeping me hanging on.

95 posted on 02/09/2005 11:36:20 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (NHL Owners and Players: Take the advice of Benjamin Franklin - "Unite, or die.")
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To: GRANGER

Detroit..the vanising, shrinking city..with a clown prince of a mayor..as an aside, the RedWings' home white uniforms..most beautiful of any sport


96 posted on 02/10/2005 4:26:03 AM PST by ken5050
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To: SamAdams76

Eddie Shore!


97 posted on 02/10/2005 4:31:29 AM PST by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: SamAdams76

bump


98 posted on 02/10/2005 5:22:40 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: ConservativeLawStudent
The salary cap is the most socialistic model ever discussed in sports.

That's absolutely true, but there's something to keep in mind here: The unique nature of competitive sports is such that "normal" economic principles cannot be applied to a professional sports league.

In the auto industry, the predatory nature of competition works just fine. If Ford and General Motors can't keep up with Toyota and Honda, then the first two will lose market share to the latter two. Under a worst-case scenario, the first two may even go out of business. Such is the nature of capitalism.

The problem in sports is that the competition is the product, which means all of the teams in a league must walk a very fine line -- they have to adhere to souond business practices and function in a normal competitive manner from a financial perspective, but at the same time they must ensure that their competitors remain, well, competitive!

I'm not a huge fan of a salary cap in general terms, but there is no question that a league comprised of teams with disproportionate levels of financial strength does not have a strong future.

99 posted on 02/10/2005 5:53:18 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: bigeasy_70118

John Kerry actually played NHL hockey for the Leafs in Cambodia during the winter of 1969 when the Mekong had frozen over.


100 posted on 02/10/2005 6:51:31 AM PST by em2vn
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