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Will County lobbies to be allowed to charge inmates for cells
KWOC TV ^ | 2/9/2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/09/2005 9:50:25 AM PST by Mike Bates

JOLIET, Ill. Officials in Will County want to change Illinois law so they can bill criminals for their stay in the county jail.

The Will County Board has asked its lobbyist to push for the change so all counties can try to recoup jail costs.

County auditor Steve Weber proposed the plan after hearing about its success in a county near Detroit. He says taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for criminals' room and board.

Officials say they'd likely charge inmates on a sliding scale based on ability to pay -- with the lowest rate being six-dollars a night.

Critics argue inmates are already paying by losing their freedom. And a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois says the state has a "moral obligation" to care for the people it's incarcerated.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: inmates; jail; prisoners; roomandboard; willcounty
What, oh what, would we ever do without the ACLU?

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

1 posted on 02/09/2005 9:50:25 AM PST by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates
Critics argue inmates are already paying by losing their freedom.

No, their freedom isn't paying for their room and board; they're loss of freedom is payment for their crime. Room, board, medical facilities, workout rooms, etc., those all cost extra.

2 posted on 02/09/2005 9:59:08 AM PST by Lou L
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To: Lou L

Not all inmates are serving sentences for crimes. Some are there awaiting trial. I have a real problem with persons automatically thinking that all persons in jail are guilty.

And don't even get me started on the fine payoff.


3 posted on 02/09/2005 10:07:25 AM PST by Conservababe
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To: Conservababe
Not all inmates are serving sentences for crimes. Some are there awaiting trial. I have a real problem with persons automatically thinking that all persons in jail are guilty.

Exactly.
What about those put their by lying, vindictive ex-wives?
What about ones who refuse to pay alimony to cheating ex-spouses? Not everyone in jail deserves to be there.

4 posted on 02/09/2005 10:38:47 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Mike Bates

I think while proposals like this may sound good, they along with imprisoning people for non payment of child support bring this country dangerously close to having "debtors prisons" a quaint english custom that the founding fathers were deadset against.

What happens if the prisoner can't or simple refuses too pay for their imprisonment? Do they keep them locked up while the fees continue to mount?


5 posted on 02/09/2005 10:49:09 AM PST by apillar
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To: apillar

What about those convicted of a crime...and fined? Sure, if you have assetts or a hot-shot daddy, you pay the fine and walk. Those that can't stay in jail to work out the fine.

Me, I think if one is convicted, they should serve time only, each and everyone, courtesy of the taxpayer.


6 posted on 02/09/2005 10:56:14 AM PST by Conservababe
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To: Conservababe
Not all inmates are serving sentences for crimes.

Ok, you make a good point, as have others on this thread. I should've clarified and said those individuals convicted of a crime and doing time, should be required to pay something for room and board.

And to those who brought up the debtors' prison argument, I would say that prisoners should be doing something productive and paying back to society while in jail. Whether that's making license plates, or cleaning up roadsides on vacant stretches of highway, there's something they can do.

7 posted on 02/09/2005 11:17:24 AM PST by Lou L
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To: Mike Bates

How about jailed citizens awaiting trial? If they are acquitted, will their monies be returned? Will inmates be allowed to work off their bills or must their families pay? In Red China, when a prisoner is executed their family must pay for the bullet; and their organs are sold for transplants. When has our incarceration economy gone far enough? In Colorado, the Department of Corrections is the largest employer in the state. On the other side of that statistic is the fact that inmates are not counted among the unemployed. There but for the Grace of God... Think about it.


8 posted on 02/09/2005 11:29:49 AM PST by jtmosier
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To: Lou L
Prisoners already do that here, the ones who are relatively trustworthy and are working off fines, at the Humane Society, library, recycling centers etc. The city gets their money's worth from them already.

I think the fines imposed are a slippery slope to debtors prison.Those that can pay...walk out the door. Those that can't, stay in jail.

Take for instance a case where two nineteen year old males are charged and convicted of stealing cd's from a store. Both were sentenced to five days in jail and a $500 fine. One served his five days and then his rich daddy paid his fine. The other could not pay and therefore spent three months in jail working off his fine.

And no, I do not think charging prisoners room and board is a good idea for the same reason. Prisoners, equally, should do their time without the prospect of money coming into the picture.
9 posted on 02/09/2005 11:35:01 AM PST by Conservababe
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To: Mike Bates

I would never make it as a member of the ACLU. I believe that criminals should lose their freedom, AND have to pay room and board.


10 posted on 02/09/2005 11:36:56 AM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: spodefly
And to think that we fought the Revolutionary War for our freedom from this kind of reasoning.
11 posted on 02/09/2005 11:40:48 AM PST by Conservababe
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To: Mike Bates

I think it's South Korea, inmates families are expected to feed the incarcerated. If no support is forthcoming, I would imagine prison life is much more complicated.


12 posted on 02/09/2005 11:43:57 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Conservababe
CB, I hardly think that THOSE were the same principles we fought the Revolutionary War to uphold.

I think we're talking about applying justice here, and many of us (at least I am) are talking about felonious crimes, not stealing a couple CDs from a record store.

Here in Indiana, we just found the body of a 10 year-old girl, most-likely brutally assaulted and drowned. Why? Because she witnessed a "meth-lab" in operation. The self-admitted murderer claimed that he "didn't want her to tell anyone" about the drug lab...you think I care if they charge that guy room and board? Somehow, I just don't think Jefferson, Franklin, Adams & Co. fought the Revolutionary War to protect this guy's rights.

13 posted on 02/09/2005 1:19:01 PM PST by Lou L
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To: Lou L

Well, I guess it has come to this silliness...charging a man on death row (or his family) for room and board. LOL

BTW, you seem very naive as to what constitutes a felony crime under our judicial system...as far as stealing CD's.


14 posted on 02/09/2005 1:27:46 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: Lou L
Here in Indiana, we just found the body of a 10 year-old girl, most-likely brutally assaulted and drowned. Why? Because she witnessed a "meth-lab" in operation. The self-admitted murderer claimed that he "didn't want her to tell anyone" about the drug lab...you think I care if they charge that guy room and board? Somehow, I just don't think Jefferson, Franklin, Adams & Co. fought the Revolutionary War to protect this guy's rights.

I would expect that his family would be expected to pay if they wanted private accommodations; otherwise he'd rest in 'group' accommodations. Board would be a non-factor, however.

15 posted on 02/09/2005 10:41:47 PM PST by supercat (Michael Schiavo is trying to starve Terri not because she's dying, but because she ISN'T.)
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