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To: shubi
What you said is true, but it tends to support my point that blind faith will come back to bite you.

Blind faith works both ways. Abiogenesis -- to put it mildly -- is not established. What if it weren't true despite the expectations of many? Many believe it possible that everything can come into existence by undirected means. What if they are wrong? Shouldn't someone try to point that out to them?

For instance, one reason the creationists can never come up with a peer reviewed paper on evolution is they have preconceived notions that there is no such thing.

I don't know how narrowly you are defining "creationist". Since you believe in a "creator" to me you would be a "creationist".

Now the IDers aren't arguing "young earth" or even rejecting evolution -- Behe, IIRCl, has said he accepts common descent.

And of course the IDers are getting published. Why one was just published in the "Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington". Of course the editor was then promptly fired , which may explain why they aren't published a lot.

973 posted on 02/09/2005 6:28:20 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
And of course the IDers are getting published.

Actually there are some ICR folks who get published. I've looked up some of their articles. Of course their published articles are mainstream science with mainstream conclusions (usually as one of several co-authors).

So my question has been and remains, what is the ID research program?

979 posted on 02/09/2005 6:44:27 AM PST by js1138
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To: Tribune7
What if they are wrong?

What if you are wrong?

980 posted on 02/09/2005 6:44:27 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Tribune7

Someone can correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that the editor of that journal was fired mainly because he published that paper without it having gone through the normal peer review process. IOW, he wasn't fired for allowing an ID paper to be published. He was fired for giving special treatment to an ID paper so that it would get published when it otherwise wouldn't have.


982 posted on 02/09/2005 6:50:30 AM PST by stremba
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To: Tribune7
And of course the IDers are getting published. Why one was just published in the "Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington". Of course the editor was then promptly fired , which may explain why they aren't published a lot.

He was not fired. He was a Research Associate at the Smithsonian, and is paid by the NIH, where he still works. His term as editor expired, he was not fired. But don't just believe me, read this rebuttal to Klinghoffer's piece in the WSJ, which was full of falsehoods here. You'll be surprised at the number of falsehoods in Klinghoffer's article.

989 posted on 02/09/2005 7:15:05 AM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Tribune7

"Why one was just published in the "Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington". Of course the editor was then promptly fired , which may explain why they aren't published a lot."


LOL The reason the editor was fired is he published a paper that was not science, not that he published a paper from an ID proponent.

Behe has published papers in his field. His field is not evolutionary biology.


1,010 posted on 02/09/2005 9:02:13 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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