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To: narby

I've noticed that creationists and moon shot doubters use the same tactic. They pick at endless nits and imagined "holes" in the theory that we went to the moon, or that Evolution is true.

Refute my post #664 then.

688 posted on 02/08/2005 4:59:01 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: garybob
I read your post #664 and there is only one sentence that seems to demand refutation.

One of the most difficult problems facing those who accept the naturalistic origin of life is that the odds are against the chance formation of even the most simple organic molecules.

In the sense that you mean this, it's absolutely false. Yes, it is true that the odds are against the "chance" formation of vasopressin in the sense of random formation (i.e., a bunch of elements drop out of the ether into a pool and just so happen, by "chance" as it were, to fall in precisely the arrangement of vasopressin or insulin or hemoglobin or whatever).

However, when using "chance" in the sense of unguided (e.g., by external intelligence) which is how you're using it (although you are engaging in the typical creationist dissembling tactic of obscuring the very different meanings of the word "chance") it is false. Since the process of emerging organic molecules is a graduated, compiled assemblage the odds of a random configuration just happening to pop out of nowhere and into the present configuration (which are the odds you have given) are meaningless, misguided, misleading, and quite simply wrong.

694 posted on 02/08/2005 5:12:18 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: garybob
Narby: I've noticed that creationists and moon shot doubters use the same tactic. They pick at endless nits and imagined "holes" in the theory that we went to the moon, or that Evolution is true.

garybob: Refute my post #664 then.

You're kidding, right? Your post #664 is nothing but picking at nits and imagined "holes", and you want me to refute it?

Apparently you don't get it. You have no affirmative evidence. You are merely trying to cast doubt on science. Give me some positive evidence that points to an Intellegent Designer. God's signature in the cement. Something. Anything. (hint: a reply of "the fact that we exist is evidence" will not work. That's a philosophic argument suited for religion class, not science)

It's always possible to cast doubt on anything. Even reality itself.

Perhaps I don't even exist at all. Perhaps I'm only a reply-bot. Face it, you don't really KNOW that I'm actually a real person.

It's easy to create doubt, particularly among those ignorant of the subject.

822 posted on 02/08/2005 7:57:59 PM PST by narby (Evolution isn't an Intelligent design, its a Brilliant Design)
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