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To: houeto
What I mean to point out is that true naturalists believe that there is no such thing as miracle.

When discussing science, this is irrelevant. Scientists do not accept supernatural explanations (magic, miracles, ghosts) for natural phenomena. Anyone who does accept supernatural explanations, as opposed to seeking naturalistic explanations, is most certainly not a scientist.

Whether scientists believe in the supernatural or not means nothing. All that matters is that when it comes to their work, they employ only naturalistic methods. Science does not operate outside the framework of naturalism. Science without naturalism is called useless philosophy.
1,061 posted on 02/09/2005 11:06:30 AM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: Alacarte
Science does not operate outside the framework of naturalism.

Agreed.

Science without naturalism is called useless philosophy.

Nope.

Sometimes the scientist can come to the conclusion, as shubi the minister of the Gospel has, that despite the exhaustion of naturalism divine intervention exists.

1,141 posted on 02/09/2005 2:53:02 PM PST by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: Alacarte
Anyone who does accept supernatural explanations, as opposed to seeking naturalistic explanations, is most certainly not a scientist.

Tell that to the myiad of scientists here that also believe in some type of deity.

Remember, Darwin (evolution) was/is into species, not the origin of life.

1,142 posted on 02/09/2005 2:56:31 PM PST by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: Alacarte
Anyone who does accept supernatural explanations, as opposed to seeking naturalistic explanations, is most certainly not a scientist.

Whether scientists believe in the supernatural or not means nothing.

Wow, two sentences back to back and you espouse two opposite ideas. Good work.

1,143 posted on 02/09/2005 2:59:07 PM PST by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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