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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Junior

You would think that one day a light would go off in their heads ...


481 posted on 02/08/2005 12:12:14 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Ichneumon

Speaking of giraffes, the Bible neglected to mention the giraffe among the acceptable animals to eat.


482 posted on 02/08/2005 12:16:36 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: DannyTN
Then I said, if scripture can be proved inspired, that Macroevolution (at least on the scale that we talk about) is false.

Does not follow.

That's because scripture makes very specific claims.

So does the overwhelming evidence for evolution. And frankly, I'll take actual *creation* as being more of a final word on the matter than anyone's *interpretation* of any book.

I believe in the validity of science. I believe in the scientific method.

No you don't -- if you did, you'd follow the evidence where it leads, instead of frantically looking for excuses to ignore it.

But I don't believe that the scientists who have adopted evolution are correct.

...because the evidence clashes with what you want to continue to believe...

There is a portion of scientific thought (evolution) that is wrong.

Please provide the evidence for this assertion of yours.

It wouldn't be the first time and it wouldn't be the last time.

Wouldn't be the first time *you've* been wrong either, would it?

483 posted on 02/08/2005 12:17:13 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: WildTurkey
You would think that one day a light would go off in their heads ...

There are always just some ... dim bulbs and burnouts.

484 posted on 02/08/2005 12:20:44 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Ichneumon

Why do you feel so compelled to prove that you are right? If you know for a fact that you are right, why must you so adamantly insist that you are right? Why can you not be content with knowing? Why must you be so evangelistic in your arguments? Why is it so important to you? Do you not realize how immature it is to belittle and antagonize people?


485 posted on 02/08/2005 12:21:39 PM PST by SubSailor
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Thanks, nice collection.


486 posted on 02/08/2005 12:21:51 PM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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To: Modernman
A Scotsman was walking along when he was attacked by a band of 40 thieves. In the ensuing melee, the Scotsman was knocked out as were 38 of the thieves.

The two, battered but conscious, thieves then took the Scotsman purse and found therein, a shilling.

The first thief said, "All that for only a shilling?"

The second, surveying the 38 unconscious members of their band, replied, "We should be thankful he wasn't carrying a pound."
487 posted on 02/08/2005 12:21:55 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Junior

And some locked to even more distant partners. Earth and Venus, for example.


488 posted on 02/08/2005 12:23:15 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: SubSailor

I guess we just get tired of non-scientists bringing FALSE science and the Bible to these boards to disprove evolution and then when we discuss the Bible they tell us we are not qualified to discuss the Bible since we do not have the proper biblical education inorder to properly "interpret" the Bible.

signed,
Sub Sailor


489 posted on 02/08/2005 12:31:34 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: houeto
The odds of this occurrence are infinitesimal.

Sort of like the possibility of evolution producing man is, hmmm, infinitesimal?

490 posted on 02/08/2005 12:34:34 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: DannyTN
["You need to define "kind."]

The original sets of animals that God made.

List them...

The representatives of which Noah carried on the Ark.

What evidence do you have that the ones Noah allegedly took onto the Ark are the same set(s) as the ones "original made"? What are "representatives" of those "kinds"? How did the marsupial "kinds" hike it over to Autralia after the waters receded? How do you explain the diversity within "kinds" that we see today, since generating that within just a few thousand years would require a HUGELY greater amount of "within-kind evolution" than creationists are willing to accept for standard evolutionary biology? Where did all the extra alleles come from? Which member(s) of Noah's family hosted the typhus, measles, smallpox, polio, gonorrhea, and syphilis "kinds" so that they wouldn't die out, and more interestingly, *WHY*? How many insect "kinds" were involved? What about them dinosaurs? There are 10,000 species of birds -- how many "kinds" was that? Since creationists claim that all the fossils in rock strata were laid down *during* the flood, how do you reconcile the "kinds on the ark" view with the practically limitless number of fosil species? How did all the plant "kinds" and fish "kinds" survive brackish water? How could more than a handful of "kinds" survive random influences that affect small populations? How were remote islands repopulated by "kinds"?

Now I know you'd like me to answer whether Noah carried both lions and tigers on the Ark or just representative cats. I don't know that.

Well okay then.

491 posted on 02/08/2005 12:38:22 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

Reply: But the flood still happened which makes Genesis accurate and evolution false.


492 posted on 02/08/2005 12:43:21 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: SubSailor; DannyTN
Why can you not be content with knowing? Why must you be so evangelistic in your arguments? Why is it so important to you? Do you not realize how immature it is to belittle and antagonize people?

Perhaps you haven't been around enough to recognize that he was responding to DannyTN. He and others have been round and round with DannyTN and DannyTN does not respond to intelligent conversation. That was tried and it didn't work.

493 posted on 02/08/2005 12:46:20 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: houeto
...but neither could the Lord have walked on water or turned water into wine.

I've done both, they aren't that hard.

494 posted on 02/08/2005 12:47:43 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: houeto
The order of creation was told in the Bible thousands of years before science confirmed it.

Sorry, but the Bible got the order *wrong* when compared to science...

495 posted on 02/08/2005 12:50:00 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: WildTurkey
Sort of like the possibility of evolution producing man is, hmmm, infinitesimal?

Yes. One day science will have to give up on the preposterous notion that gravity causes synchronous orbit.

The moon pulls on the earth and the earth pulls on the moon but the twain never meet? Un-huh.

When the electromagnetic (push/pull) association of the planets is brought into the equation of celestial mechanics then synchronous orbit becomes not only mathematically possibly but expected.

...and another argument for ID becomes science!

496 posted on 02/08/2005 12:50:25 PM PST by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: Texas Songwriter
Are you endowed by your Creator will certain unalienable rights?

Not just endowed, but well-endowed...

497 posted on 02/08/2005 12:50:51 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
I've done both, they aren't that hard.

LMAO!

498 posted on 02/08/2005 12:51:37 PM PST by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: Ichneumon
No need to "search" for the evidence for evolution, it arrives in a flood every time anything even remotely tangential to life is examined. For example:

The Evolution of Improved Fitness by random mutation plus selection

I read this first example from your list. I believe you should remove it as evidence for evolution. In the article, at the start of section 2, the writer states:

Despite the logical fallacy in the creationists' dismissal of Dawkins's simulation, the seductive appeal of this argument led me to think that it could be most clearly countered if one could cite a biological example in which -- without the intervention of any intelligent designer -- successive rounds of mutation and selection could be unambiguously shown to lead to increased fitness within living organisms.
He then goes on to explain current theory on how a portion of the human immune system works.

The implication is that if the body can splice genes to produce antibodies that increase an individual's fitness, then this is good evidence of a mechanism for evolution. But none of the antibody adaptations are inheritable. The gene rearrangements that produce the antibodies cannot be passed on genetically to offspring. Unless you are arguing for Lamarkian evolution, I propose that you remove this from your list.

499 posted on 02/08/2005 12:51:57 PM PST by Tares
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To: longshadow

Saturn overhead placemarker.


500 posted on 02/08/2005 12:52:00 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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