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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: RaceBannon

No, you are not excused, as that is not the information to which you referred.

shall I belabor you with cut'n'paste, or will you grow a pair and quit the dancing and either rebut or concede?


1,361 posted on 02/10/2005 8:20:11 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: MHalblaub

I don't know how familiar you are with cell and molecular biology, but this is a major paradigm shift if proven.


1,362 posted on 02/10/2005 8:21:29 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

OMG! LMAO!!!! :-)


1,363 posted on 02/10/2005 8:23:57 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Tares

If the "flood" occurred in 1750 BC and the Chinese had writing at that time, seems they would have recorded something ...


1,364 posted on 02/10/2005 8:24:11 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: King Prout

I found the tidbit about the "two mutations" occurring just after conception interesting also. Subtle but a very powerful mechanism.


1,365 posted on 02/10/2005 8:27:00 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RaceBannon
OK, seems more like Jewish's myths with a moral background.

But lets get back to the fairy tale evolution.
I hate stories about cruel and unfair treatment of people through a superior power.
1,366 posted on 02/10/2005 8:29:33 AM PST by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: WildTurkey

yeah, but, damn - the very idea of non-nuclear material from the sperm surviving to be passed to the zygote is quite a radical departure from everything I have studied to this point.

Granted, I'm a piker, but still, phew!

this needs to be studied intensively.


1,367 posted on 02/10/2005 8:30:29 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout
this needs to be studied intensively.

Yes. That type of "transfer" could take us back millions of years!

1,368 posted on 02/10/2005 8:34:56 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Ichneumon; shubi; WildTurkey; PatrickHenry; Doctor Stochastic; Liberal Classic; RadioAstronomer

notions/questions:

could this be a biological sport similar to the slightly better-known "chimerae"?
- if a developing embryo can partially or completely absorb and incorporate its identical or fraternal twin, is it possible that one could similarly partially or completely absorb and incorporate sperm secondary to fertilization?

If "yes", how could this be tested?


1,369 posted on 02/10/2005 8:45:43 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

Insert only the pertinent "data" into the egg via cloning techniqes?


1,370 posted on 02/10/2005 8:47:28 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

I dunno 'bout that, but if this sort of thing is possible, its frequency of incidence should be determined and various forensics paradigms refined by the new data.


1,371 posted on 02/10/2005 8:47:48 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: WildTurkey

how and what would that test?


1,372 posted on 02/10/2005 8:48:55 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: HankReardon
WOW! Anyone read all that? Honestly, anyone?

I have... And if you want to actually have an informed opinion on the subject before you spout off about it, you should too.

1,373 posted on 02/10/2005 8:48:57 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: King Prout

I'm just speculating from ignorance. Given that cloning contains only the information from the egg, if additional information is inserted and "incorporated" vs. being destroyed, that would support the hypothesis.


1,374 posted on 02/10/2005 8:53:26 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

ah. thanks - I was not clear what you meant.

I would think that exposing (a hell of a lot of) animal embryos of various stages of development to a sperm-rich environment might be a sufficient testing protocol.


1,375 posted on 02/10/2005 8:55:22 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout
I would think that exposing (a hell of a lot of) animal embryos of various stages of development to a sperm-rich environment might be a sufficient testing protocol.

I would think this would be a problem as the egg has barriers to sperm entry following initial fertilization. One would be looking for a needle in a haystack but faced with first finding the country the haystack was in.

1,376 posted on 02/10/2005 8:58:22 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

I am aware of the barriers, but at some point the zygote CAN absorb foreign cells - fraternal-twin "chimerae" are ample proof of that.


1,377 posted on 02/10/2005 9:00:51 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: WildTurkey

Always back to the Bible. Others have been basing their anti-evolution beliefs on the Biblical teachings, I have not. I do not discaount the Bible at all though.


1,378 posted on 02/10/2005 9:03:00 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: WildTurkey

also: ain't no such thing as a foolproof barrier ;)

the study would require years, hundreds of thousands of trials, etc... yes.

that's lab science and clinical medicine for ya.


1,379 posted on 02/10/2005 9:03:19 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

Could you use fruit flies? This would remake the classical high school science project. Imagine thousands of kids up all night looking for that strange fruitfly!


1,380 posted on 02/10/2005 9:05:12 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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