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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: HankReardon

Theories are never proven, only partially confirmed or refuted. Evolution is an observed fact. The theory of evolution is the only candidate for a scientific explanation. The theory that the Entire Universe was creatied Last Thursday with the appearance of being ancient isnt't refutable but isn't science either; this theory can't be distinguished from the theory the Universe will be created Wednesday Next, either.

I don't care particularly whether evolutionary theory is correct or incorrect. If correct, it can be(and has been comercially) used to make useful predictions about the world. If incorrect, it will be replaced with something that works better.


1,341 posted on 02/10/2005 7:24:25 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: WildTurkey
"ID" is a movement designed to destroy the credibility of evolutionary theory.

No, it's a grouping of mathematical and biological views that describe apparantly fatal flaws in the construct that everything can be explained via random mutation and natural selection then posits that life designed by intelligence -- regardless as to how it was done -- is a more rational way of looking at reality.

1,342 posted on 02/10/2005 7:24:44 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: HankReardon; WildTurkey

I disagree. he referred to "the" inbreeding, not "YOUR" inbreeding


1,343 posted on 02/10/2005 7:25:01 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: WildTurkey; HankReardon

then again, I might have been mistaken


1,344 posted on 02/10/2005 7:26:20 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: WildTurkey
That would be scroll of aluminum foil.
1,345 posted on 02/10/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: HankReardon
Mathematics may be very useful while considering evolution or any other theory regarding the past.

Not when you use the wrong formula.

For example: The number of ancestors required for me to have exist doubles every generation into the past, this must happen. 2 parents, one generation back, 25 years. Eight great-grandparents, 3 generations back 75 years.

20 generations back I must have had 1,048,576 grandparents, this is all in one generation of time,500 years ago.

30 generations back, 1,073,741,824 grandparents, of course evenly half men, half women. 750 years ago. 35 generations back it required 17,179,869,184 grandparents for me to exist as I am today.

You have not described exponential growth. You have only described the left-hand side of the parabola: f(x)=x^2

Populations tend to grow exponentially over time until they reach some bounds which limit their growth such as the amont of food or space available, at which time the growth flattens out.

The correct formula to describe ideal exponential growth is transcendential function using powers of e. The size of a population at any given time t with a starting population P and a growth rate of k can be expressed as P(t)=e^(k*t)

Using this equasion one can calclulate what the population will be at a certain time. Conversely, given the current population one can calculate what the population was in the past without reaching the false conclusion that there were many billions of people in the past for each person alive today.

This is a misuse of mathematics, either stemming from a lack of understanding of exponential growth, or a desire to disprove evolution, or both.

1,346 posted on 02/10/2005 7:28:44 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: WildTurkey
What were the pillars made of that the fellows that cooked up the Bible thought the earth was supported by ...

The Bible doesn't spell it out. Have you read it?

1,347 posted on 02/10/2005 7:30:39 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: HankReardon
So many people here think way too much!

Too many people think too little.

1,348 posted on 02/10/2005 7:32:13 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I once had 3 simultaneous apartments (with three rental cars parked at airport long term parking) in three different cities, one on each coast,...

Conservative leader Stephen Harper : you're outed?

1,349 posted on 02/10/2005 7:33:43 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Liberal Classic

sounds like balance... sounds like...

"the amount of ongoing thinking in the universe is a constant"?

;)


1,350 posted on 02/10/2005 7:35:10 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Tribune7
The Bible doesn't spell it out. Have you read it?

What do you interpret them to be made of?

1,351 posted on 02/10/2005 7:37:38 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: King Prout

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. -- A. Einstein


1,352 posted on 02/10/2005 7:39:42 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: MHalblaub; Yehuda

Excuse me, but...JEWISH FAIRY TALES???

(Rom 1:18 KJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

(Rom 1:19 KJV) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.

(Rom 1:20 KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

(Rom 1:21 KJV) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

(Rom 1:22 KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

(Rom 1:23 KJV) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

(Rom 1:24 KJV) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

(Rom 1:25 KJV) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(Rom 1:26 KJV) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

(Rom 1:27 KJV) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

(Rom 1:28 KJV) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

(Rom 1:29 KJV) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

(Rom 1:30 KJV) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

(Rom 1:31 KJV) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

(Rom 1:32 KJV) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


1,353 posted on 02/10/2005 7:41:47 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Liberal Classic

"the difference between genius and idiocy is that genius has its limits." - unknown wit


1,354 posted on 02/10/2005 7:44:49 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: RaceBannon

so, you gonna concede on the matter of the DiscoveryChannel "Eve" that you brought up, or are you gonna attempt rebuttal?


1,355 posted on 02/10/2005 7:46:46 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: RaceBannon

by the way, here is the full grotesque overstatement from DiscoveryChannel's official website:

"Eve Explained: Find out the science behind the theory that all humans alive today can claim as a common ancestor a woman who lived in Africa some 150,000 years ago."

not 20,000, but 150,000 years.
so, not merely "substantially older" than 6,000 years, but VASTLY so.

the rest of what I posted last night stands.


1,356 posted on 02/10/2005 7:53:41 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Tribune7
ID is a
a grouping of mathematical and biological views that describe apparantly fatal flaws

Tell me one apparently fatal flaw.

in the construct that everything can be explained via random mutation and natural selection then posits that life designed by intelligence

Nice hypothesis. Why is water flowing down the hill? Because it is ID? With that answer you can illustrate everything but explain nothing!

-- regardless as to how it was done -- is a more rational way of looking at reality.

Rational - Ratio - Latin for explanation.
1,357 posted on 02/10/2005 8:00:59 AM PST by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: Ichneumon; shubi; WildTurkey; PatrickHenry; Doctor Stochastic; Liberal Classic; RadioAstronomer; ...

what the hell?

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2716

patrilineal mitochondrial inheritance?


1,358 posted on 02/10/2005 8:04:01 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

Excuse me, but the single mother gene came out long before Discovery channel aired any program. I heard this in the 80's.


1,359 posted on 02/10/2005 8:17:52 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: King Prout
patrilineal mitochondrial inheritance

Einstein's answer to a similar question was:

"It is a technical term."

But I'm not a nerved Einstein. My guess for
paternal mitochondrial inheritance
is fatherly mitochondrial inheritance. So a child also has Mitochondrias from father.
1,360 posted on 02/10/2005 8:18:10 AM PST by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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