Liberty will triumph
Posted on 02/04/2005 5:18:21 PM PST by Indy Pendance
ARLINGTON, Va. — A major U.S. Islamic group has called for “appropriate disciplinary action” for the Marine general who said, “It’s fun to shoot some people.”
“We do not need generals who treat the grim business of war as a sporting event,” Nihad Awad, director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said in a statement. “These disturbing remarks are indicative of an apparent indifference to the value of human life.”
The Washington-based CAIR’s stated mission is “to enhance understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.”
Lt. Gen James Mattis, the commander of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command in Quantico, Va., offered no public apologies for his comments in the wake of a media dust-up.
Marine Corps officials at the Pentagon said they’ve received about a dozen calls and e-mails complaining about Mattis’ comments as well, but said there were no plans for disciplinary measures.
“As far as we’re concerned, the issue is closed,” said a spokesman.
“We see this so-called counseling as less than a slap on the wrist,” said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for CAIR. “There should at least be some kind of formal reprimand. If the Pentagon wants to be seen as taking this seriously, they have to take serious action.
“I think the great military leaders throughout history has always viewed killing as necessary evil, not as source of pleasure,” Hooper continued. “And in this case he’s talking about killing Muslims. I don’t think this helps America’s image in the Muslim world.”
Mattis was speaking to an electronics association gathering in San Diego on Wednesday.
“Actually, it’s a lot of fun to fight,” he said. “You know, it’s a hell of a hoot. I like brawling,” Mattis can be heard on video captured at the event. “You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.”
In statement Thursday, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Mike Hagee said he had “counseled” Mattis, saying he wished the general had picked his word more carefully, while Joint Chiefs vice chairman and fellow Marine Gen. Peter Pace offered no rebuke on Mattis’ comments.
“I will tell you that the last three times that that general has been in combat, when he was leading Marines in Afghanistan, and the two times that he led his division in Iraq, his actions, and those of his troops, clearly show that he understands the value of proper leadership and the value of human life,” Pace told reporters Thursday at the Pentagon.
Twice Pace said Mattis was free to explain himself.
“I will leave it to him to tell you what he meant to say when he said what he said,” said Pace.
Mattis, however, declined interview requests. A senior aide said the general does not want to add more fuel to the fire, but added, “He, like all Marines, considers it an honor to fight for his country.”
Harrison Ford is reported to be starring as Mattis in what will be Hollywood’s first feature about the current Iraq war, titled “No True Glory.”
Some in the military community have come to Mattis’ defense.
Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper, a Vietnam veteran and one of Mattis’ predecessors as chief of the Combat Development Command, said the comments are being blown out of proportion.
“I’m in Mattis’ corner,” said Van Riper. Anyone critical of Mattis’ comments, he added, “is a damn dilettante who doesn’t understand what war is all about.”
Among the retired “graybeards,” Van Riper remains an active adviser in Army and Marine Corps training efforts.
“War means fighting and fighting mean killing,” said Van Riper, quoting Nathan Bedford Forrest, a much-lauded cavalry commander of the Civil War.
“If they don’t like it, tell them to put on the uniform and go do it themselves. This isn’t a pretty business. If you’re going to get squeamish about it you shouldn’t send our troops off to war.”
Hagee defended Mattis in a statement released Thursday.
“While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war. Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor,” wrote Hagee in his statement.
Hagee added that Mattis is one of Corps’ “most courageous and experienced warriors. I remain confident that he will continue to serve this nation with dedication and distinction.”
Hey Ibrahim Hooper. FOAD.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
"One of the challenges is understanding the totality of Islam. Don't come up with an opinion and find out the things that support it in Islam. Everything we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else."
Omar M. Ahmad, chairman of the board of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), San Ramon Valley Herald July 4, 1998
Since 9-11, CAIR, a spin-off of the Islamic Association For Palestine, has seen three of its former employees indicted on federal terrorism charges.
Randall Todd "Ismail" Royer was sentenced to 20 years in prison on charges he trained in Virginia for holy war against the United States and sent several members to Pakistan to join Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Kashmiri terrorist group with reported ties to al-Qaida.
In a plea bargain, Royer claimed he never intended to hurt anyone but admitted he organized the holy warriors after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the U.S.
After his arrest, Royer sought legal counsel from Hamas lawyer Stanley Cohen, who said after 9-11 he would consider serving as a defense lawyer for Osama bin Laden if the al-Qaida leader were captured.
Another CAIR figure, Bassem Khafagi, was arrested in January 2003 while serving as the group's director of community relations. The previous December, Ghassan Elashi, the founder of CAIR's Texas chapter, was indicted for financial ties to Hamas leader Musa Abu Marzook.
Current CAIR leaders also have made statements in support of Hamas and the domination of the U.S. by Islam.
NEVER met any Muslim that valued human life. Except as
a prospect for ransome, sex slave,or convert -after a
bloody Muslim had taken everything of possible value to
the godless slave of Allah.
Yet again...the Islamics make it perfectly clear that they stand up loudly against anybody who they perceive doing Muslims ill will.
Rest assured, the Islamics are also blarinly loud when it comes to fighting terrorists and democratizing the Islamic world...not to mention their outspokenness regarding the Iranians gaining nuclear capability. /sarcasm off/
But supporting Palestinians who commit torture-murders against Israelis for fun is highly encouraged. It's also OK to torture-murder any Palestinian who speaks against his rulers or has the audacity to suggest that terrorism is a bad thing.
Well Done!!!!!!!
So long as Islam refuses to turn over Osama, we should simply ignore these guys.
screw CAIR and every member of it
The thing wrong with this statement is the muslims we are killing are terrorists. So, what he is saying is that muslims are upset because we are killing terrorists and like doing it. My, my doesn't that say something about Cair!
Ragheads are really asking for it.
They are going to get more than they bargained for.
If we can bomb hundreds of thousands of German civilians into smithereens and nuke japs, annihlating a race of uluating subhuman beasts seems more of a public service to the human race than anything else.
Islamonazis living on borrowed time.
And so is the leftist media.
Liberty will triumph
The suddenly sanctimonious CAIR. Gimme a break.
Amin Al Husseini seen inspecting his Hanzar Division made up exclusively of Muslims, mostly from the Crotia/Bosnia/Serbia region. They actively lead the genocide against Serbs, Serbian Jews and Gypsies.
Amin Al Husseini meets with Adolf Hitler in November 1942, weeks before the decision to implement the Final Solution which sent Europe's Jews to the gas chamber. The Third Reich provided Amin Al Husseini with a salary and appointed him Head of the Hanzar SS Division. The Hanzar Division was made of Nazi Muslims and implemented the genocide of 250,000 Serbs, Gypsies and Jews during WWII.
Amin Al Husseini shown here on a Nazi poster recruiting fellow Muslims to join Hitler in the fight against the West and the Jews. His disciples today include Yasser Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the leaders of Hamas, Al Qeida and Islamic Jihad.
Amin Al Husseini, future President of the World Islamic Congress (1961) and founding father of the Arab League (1944) inspects his Muslim Nazi troops, the Hanzar Division. Amin Al Husseini making the traditional nazi salute.
Yasser Arafat became a disciple of Amin Al Husseini since the age of 17. Here: recent picture of Palestinian soldiers under the leadership of Arafat making the traditional Nazi salute. 
Muslim Nazi soldiers at prayer to Allah.
Whine, whine, whine!! Last week they were whining that Fox Movie Channel was profiling Muslims on their new program '24.' Is anyone besides me getting sick of them? They are going to be far worse than Jesse Jackson if we keep appeasing them.
Screw CAIR. At best, they are terrorist sympathizers and apologists and, at worst, active enablers and supporters of terrorism. They need to be carefully monitored 24/7.
Bless the generals that have the balls to do what they can to support and maybe make it a little easier for their troops.
Holy smokes! About a dozen! In other words, might have been eleven or possibly thirteen calls and emails expressing outrage! If this doesn't exemplify the seething anger America is feeling towards these barbaric statements I don't know what does!
Ibrahim Hooper
Odd sounding muzzie surname. I take it he's a convert.
To whom it may concern
Concerning your remarks about Marine General Mattis
What your wahabbi supported organization needs to understand is that a ever growing number of Americans are learning about your strategies. I'm fully aware of what "Taqija" is and in my world of friends EVERYONE I come in contact with also learns.
The so called "muslim street" never hears the truth about the USA anyway because all your organizations and the corrupt, brutal totalitarian governments that finance people like you tell only lies.
I hope you understand that everyday there are fewer and fewer Americans that listen to you or even care what you have to say.
The truth is what the General said is TOTALLY true, men who beat and stone women are slimy worms without manhood. The trouble with the muslim street is they can't handle the truth.
Let me make this absolutely clear. CAIR can officially kiss my behind. They are evil and irrelevent.
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