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Why Does Windows Still Suck? Why do PC users put up with so many viruses and worms?...
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/4/5 | Mark Morford

Posted on 02/04/2005 7:54:13 AM PST by SmithL

So about a year ago, the SO finally upgraded her Net connection to DSL, carefully installed the Yahoo! DSL software into her creaky Sony Vaio PC laptop and ran through all the checks and install verifications and appropriate nasty disclaimers.

And all seemed to go smoothly and reasonably enough considering it was a Windows PC and therefore nothing was really all that smooth or reasonable or elegant, but whatever. She just wanted to get online. Should be easy as 1-2-3, claimed the Yahoo! guide. Painless as tying your shoe, said the phone company.

She got online all right. The DSL worked great. For about four minutes.

Then, something happened. Something attacked. Something swarmed her computer the instant she tried to move around online and the computer slowed and bogged and cluttered and crashed, and multiple restarts and debuggings and what-the-hells only brought up only a flood of nightmarish pop-up windows and terrifying error messages and massive system slowdowns and all manner of inexplicable claims of infestation of this worm and that Trojan horse and did we want to buy McAfee AntiVirus protection for $39.95?

Four minutes. And she was already DOA.

My SO, she is not alone. This exact same scenario, with only slight variation, is happening throughout the nation, right now. Are you using a PC? You probably have spyware. The McAfee site claims a whopping 91 percent of PCs are infected. As every Windows user knows, PCs are ever waging a losing battle with a stunningly vicious array of malware and worms and viruses, all aimed at exploiting one of about ten thousand security flaws and holes in Microsoft Windows.

Here, then, is my big obvious question: Why the hell do people put up with this? Why is there not some massive revolt, some huge insurrection against Microsoft?

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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To: ShadowAce
Okay, but in 6 months every desktop will be faster then your over priced then your laptop.

also all that on a desktop will cost pennies compared to what you paid for your laptop...

So lets see what you got.

You paid more money,
Lost the ability to upgrade your computer yourself. Got a less stable environment. Heat still kills laptops like DDT does bugs. Good luck putting an extra fan in there.

Sure you get to take your work home with you or on the road...I leave work at work.

16'' screen is nothing now a days. heck even 15 years ago 15'' screens were standard on desktops.

I don't think they are worth the money and the lack of flexibility.
181 posted on 02/04/2005 11:02:39 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: Dysfunctional

No, OS X doesn't use NTFS.

Programs aren't written for file systems--thus why programs like Firefox can run on the NTFS-using Windows XP while also running on the FAT32-using Windows 98--they're written for system architectures. Windows is an inherently more corruptible platform, because Microsoft wrote the underlying architecture with the operating assumption that every other computer on the network could be trusted.


182 posted on 02/04/2005 11:04:04 AM PST by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: smith288

You can buy all his stuff as a desktop and it'll be less then he spent.


183 posted on 02/04/2005 11:05:43 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: blanknoone

You've got the theory reversed. OS X's greatest protection is the way it was engineered, with its network protocols assuming that every other computer it connected to could not be trusted. Windows was built in the opposite manner: Microsoft's policy was that every other computer on the network could be trusted.

Programming doctrine counts for a lot more than you're giving credit for. Let's say there's a large bank chain all over a state, and then there's a second bank with just five or ten branches spread over a city and its suburbs. Let's say the smaller bank invested more into securing its money than the larger bank--more advanced locks, more cameras, more security guards, better employee training, everything. Would it be fair to say that the smaller bank is only more secure because it's smaller, and thus there are less potential bank robbers who could try to break in? No, it wouldn't, because the smaller bank has better security policies. Could it still be robbed? Yes, but it would be such a difficult proposition that many potential bank robbers wouldn't even try.

Therein lies the difference between OS X and Windows XP. OS X makes hacking attempts as unattractive as possible. XP, under the banners of such flawed ideas as "trusted computing," does not.


184 posted on 02/04/2005 11:12:55 AM PST by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: tfecw
You paid more money,

Yes, I did.

Lost the ability to upgrade your computer yourself.

Wrong. I've already upgraded it myself. The CPU itself is a desktop HT CPU--not the puny Mobile M's with less power--and the OS sees it as an SMP machine.

Got a less stable environment. Heat still kills laptops like DDT does bugs. Good luck putting an extra fan in there.

Again, it's built for that--It came with two fans. I will grant that it does run a little warm, but I can live with that. It's never actually on my lap anyway.

I don't think they are worth the money and the lack of flexibility.

OK. That's fine. However, flexibility seems to be defined in the eye of the beholder. I can now compute anywhere I wish. I can plug into any network and be one my machine. I have more desk space, with no loud tower sitting around my feet, no extra keyboard, speakers, or huge CRT taking up desk space. No wires getting all tangled up.

To me, that's flexible.

185 posted on 02/04/2005 11:13:12 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: drt1

Rats, you didn't rise to the bait. Absolutely no fun whatsoever.

All that aside, to be honest, my ideal system is a stripped version of XP while running Firefox as a web browser.


186 posted on 02/04/2005 11:14:00 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: ShadowAce
"and be one my machine." should be "and be on my machine."
187 posted on 02/04/2005 11:15:56 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: stylin_geek

:-)


188 posted on 02/04/2005 11:16:20 AM PST by drt1
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To: tfecw
you agreed with my statement 100 percent.>>
Well, actually, no, I didn't. Read it again, if you still don't get the difference, post and I will explain it to you.

I don't think you know anything about anything.>>
You are just too kind.
If you outlandish conspiracy theory riddled, anything that does better then me must be bad,>>
Think I will just pass on that gem, and go on......

If you(r?) outlandish conspiracy theory riddled, (with?)completely false claims that MS steals people's patented software because they won't get sued had any iota of truth, Lawyers would be lining up around the block willing to do pro bono work for a piece of the MS pie.
Hell, I give up. I think you are trying to say that if MS really stole software, lawyers would sue "pro bono." for a piece of the MS pie.
Actually, a whole spate of lawsuits were entered against MS in the 80s and early 90s. MS functionally put the parent company of EXPEDIA out of business by asking if they would "partner" with them, then, after they gained knowledged of all their backoffice systems, offered to buy them for about 1/2 what the company had already been offered, with the warning that MS was going to open a travel agency anyway (we don't need to partner with you now, sorry), and they would be buried if they tried to sue. The file compression software MS usese is almost a direct copy of some small software company which DID try to sue, but of course ran out of money (their revenue source was, uh, GONE, since MS was packaging their product with windows).

I appreciate your concern for my safety as a child. I WAS in fact, dropped on my head as a child, and for this reason can never remove the tin foil hat. If I do, all 4 of my remaining neurons may fall out, and that is too great a risk. Thanks for your concern, though.
189 posted on 02/04/2005 11:18:15 AM PST by chronic_loser
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To: Jinjelsnaps

Well, I think part of it has to do with document storage. A lot of small businesses are running peer to peer networks, and don't necessarily have a pure file server that can be mapped to for centralized storage. (we won't discuss the problems with such an arrangement, especially from a catastropic failure standpoint) Plus, since hardware is cheap, no reason not to put enormous drives in the pc's. I agree, no need for this size drive, but they've become standard so, what the hey?


190 posted on 02/04/2005 11:22:37 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: Mad Mammoth
It sounds like whoever the 'SO' is, hooked up to DSL without a firewall which is like driving through Harlem at midnight waving a wad of bills around.

Very true. If you're running Windows. Which, of course was the author's initial point.

It's very amusing to listen to all these people say: All I do is this, this, this, this and this, and my Windows machine is rock solid.

Well, go ahead and waste your time doing that, that, that, that and that. I'll just use my Mac.

191 posted on 02/04/2005 11:22:38 AM PST by frgoff
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To: Terpfen

First: I wasn't addressing OS X vs MS...I was addressing Firefox v. IE.

Second: You are definitely right that programming doctrine counts. In fact I will say that OS X is more secure than Windows. But you are diminishing the importance of the other motivations of those who right malware. Difficulty is certainly one of the criterion. But a much more significant motivation is the reach of the malware they are writing. Even a 'big' worm in the Mac world is a small worm in the MS world.

To complete your banking analogy, (at least in the IE/firefox) compare those two security systems. Except one of them (doesn't really matter which) is on a low income home and the other is on the gold reserves at Ft. Knox. Which will get robbed then?


192 posted on 02/04/2005 11:24:28 AM PST by blanknoone (GWB: Saying what he means and meaning what he says)
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To: rarestia
Dear God in Heaven...

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MANY PC companies install HUNDREDS of useless, inane or otherwise space-consuming programs that may be linked with your email address or offer ads to your computer BECAUSE THE COMPANY HAS A CONTRACT WITH THEM.

Or just save yourself the time, hassle, grief and frustration and buy a Mac mini for $500.

193 posted on 02/04/2005 11:30:23 AM PST by frgoff
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To: Mannaggia l'America
. If a burglar broke into your house and took your stuff, would you blame him or the guy who built the door or window.

If the burglar was able to get into the home because the door or window was flawed, you bet I would blame the guy who built to door or window, and so would you.

194 posted on 02/04/2005 11:32:58 AM PST by frgoff
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To: Woodman

NO, my point was the original poster said he could do his XP install along with all the software mentioned: Office, Visio, Project in less than 1/2 hour.

My point was he couldn't and neither could anyone install the same variety of software for Linux in under 30 mins.


195 posted on 02/04/2005 11:47:51 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: tfecw
You can buy all his stuff as a desktop and it'll be less then he spent.

Need it for mobility.

196 posted on 02/04/2005 11:55:21 AM PST by smith288 ("Bravery is not a reaction to fear but the act of ignoring it from honor.")
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To: smith288

aww you don't really need to bring work home with ya ;) work is work

and if you need it for work, they should buy it


197 posted on 02/04/2005 11:56:02 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: SmithL

Poor Marky, my Win2K laptop has none of the problems he describes and is on a T1 at work and on RR at home. I keep firewalls and virus defs up to date and scan regularly for spyware.

If Mac were the dominent PC species, there would be plenty of similar problems as the malcontents focused on the happy Mac.

I haven't owned or used a mac since '98, but seem to recall plenty of Mac viruses. It's worth noting that the 'You can't hack a Mac' contest was pulled years ago.

Finally, this should settle the question of "are Mac's for blue states?"

Isn't it cute how Marky refers to his SO as 'she'? We all know that at Morford Manor, it is Marky who has sand in his vagina.


198 posted on 02/04/2005 12:10:11 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: smith288

wasn't my idea dork plus she had serious emotional issues not caused by the porn plus she had multiple affairs so kiss my fuzzy white ass


199 posted on 02/04/2005 12:11:33 PM PST by holdmuhbeer
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To: frgoff
If the burglar was able to get into the home because the door or window was flawed, you bet I would blame the guy who built to door or window, and so would you.

But I'd be orders of magnitude more p*ssed at the burglar. Just because the door or window was flawed didn't mean he had to come through it.

It all reversed when it comes to computers. Everyone gets ticked only at Microsoft (and they are certainly far from innocent), but I see very little, if any anger against the purveyors of the spyware, malware, etc.

I guess a lot of it is that people are lazy. It's easier to hit the big target (Microsoft) rather than try to find who actually wrote the spyware or who put it on their computer. After all, it's their computer and they shouldn't blindly trust someone else to keep it secure.

200 posted on 02/04/2005 12:20:44 PM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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