[A Citizen Reporter]

"Seems you missed the point here, and the speech.

No, Joe. I think you speak for people, who you don't *represent*. I NEVER want to be included in your *our*.

You live in a different universe.

[Joe Hadenuf]

"Well I guess the Iraqis gained your respect here."

For some reason, I still feel it should be the other way around.

Again, once we leave, if that ever happens, and they are able to hold this thing together themselves, only then will they gain my respect. I never had a lot of respect for a people that would sit by for decades, and live under brutal tyranny run by a dictator. Sometimes if people want to live free, they have to sacrifice for it. They clearly opted not to do this on their own.

If brutal tyranny ever took hold here in America, would you just sit by and take it? Or would you be willing to stand up to it? My respect for you would be based on your answer.

[ohioWfan]

No, Joe. I think you speak for people, who you don't *represent*. I NEVER want to be included in your *our*.

You live in a different universe.

Boy, do I agree with that, Citizen!

Joe, who do you think is in those mass graves in Iraq? Who do you think were tortured and killed over the past 35 years??

Answer.......thousands who 'stood up to Saddam.'

Your characterization of the Iraqis as people who sat idly by and passively let us save them is wrong.

In the first place, they had to find out if we were 'for real' when we first invaded.........the people in the Middle East haven't exactly been told the truth about us, you know......

They have been giving info about terrorists at their own risk, they have been standing in line to sign up to be police officers, getting blown up, and having their brothers take their places. They have joined the militia, been blown up, and have had their friends and neighbors take their places.

Then EIGHT MILLION of them risked life and limb to vote in support of us, and what we have done for them.

No one is saying they shouldn't be thanking us........they are........ but for you to say we shouldn't appreciate them and their courage is utter stupidity.

You clearly have no idea as to what has really been going on in Iraq, and that's probably because you are the most overtly self-centered, heartless, negative person who has managed to keep from being permanently banned from FR.

You don't represent anyone but yourself when you refer to "us." Your US is really just ME, and frankly, your selfishness sickens me.