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STATE OF THE UNION -- 2005 [Live Thread]
2/2/05

Posted on 02/02/2005 3:43:44 PM PST by Timeout

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To: FBD
Former Senator Bob Kerrey had an editorial in the NY Slimes saying we HAD to fix social security.

Notice the dems ignoring his advice.

4,501 posted on 02/03/2005 3:30:44 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: Mr. Buzzcut

And there was slick willie speaking from Davos the other day saying he is AGAINST setting a time table for our exit from Iraq. Said it would be a very bad idea.....


4,502 posted on 02/03/2005 3:31:47 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Unlike slick willie's speeches, this was too short. I wanted it to go on and on. The man speaks to our hearts and souls with conviction borne on his faith.


4,503 posted on 02/03/2005 3:33:55 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: rodguy911
It's a mistake to assume that Kennedy's hateful rhetoric comes from the bottle.

He has always been anti American and was responsible for the legislation that drove us from Viet Nam leaving that part of the world at the mercy of despots.

And America with the reputation for cutting and running.

It's just that in those years there was no internet, no talk radio, no one but the MSM spinning the lies for the left.

4,504 posted on 02/03/2005 3:36:20 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: Wormwood

I knew there was no hope at all for intelligent comment from Juan when he stated that perhaps the exit polls were correct and the actual votes were wrong.


4,505 posted on 02/03/2005 3:41:36 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: FBD
How about it Pookie? Want to Post a big picture tomorrow, of the Norwoods and the Iraqi woman hugging?

Guess you'll have to wait & see ;-)


4,506 posted on 02/03/2005 3:44:22 AM PST by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: DoughtyOne
C-SPIN just lives for these crazed callers.

I suspect Brian Lamb and Sullivan have similar proclivities and despise the President.

4,507 posted on 02/03/2005 3:47:29 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: MedNole

He did and got a rousing applause...from the Republican side!


4,508 posted on 02/03/2005 3:58:02 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Pass Tort Reform Now! Make the bottom clean for the catfish!)
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To: mystery-ak
I cannot forgive LIEberman for going along with the plan to disenfranchise the military votes in Florida.

My son was in the Army stationed overseas during that election and I will not forget.

4,509 posted on 02/03/2005 4:00:07 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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A forcefully delivered speech with excellent content! President Bush makes me proud(er) to be an American.

Harry Reid response repeatedly intimates that the president's ideas are "immoral" - in a shameful and awkward attempt to convince the American people that the president himself is immoral. Reid is driving the wrong one on one-way street with such idiocy.

Pelosi response....not even worth a comment.

4,510 posted on 02/03/2005 4:04:51 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: OldFriend

"I cannot forgive LIEberman for going along with the plan to disenfranchise the military votes in Florida."

I agree! While he talks a good game, he sold his soul to Satan on that one. I'll never forget those Sunday morning show appearances where put out the damage control spin for the DNC.


4,511 posted on 02/03/2005 4:21:45 AM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: OldFriend

Ditto! on Lieberman

I will never forget that he campaigned in Connecticutt as a 'moderate' and campaigned at the side of Algore as a flaming lib at the same time.

I do not trust or respect one word he says.


4,512 posted on 02/03/2005 4:30:08 AM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
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To: goldstategop

I know what the general idea is, but government has no business telling me how I should save, where I should save or even if I should save. In a free society, people would have complete control over their own money. Quite a novel concept these days.

Contrary to the general consensus around here, there is nothing private or even remotely capitalist about Bush's "privatization" plan. His is a prescription for yet more government control. If he gets his way, bureaucrats--many of whom retire with pensions ranging in the hundreds of thousands of dollars--will tell you which stocks you can invest in, how much you can invest, how much you can withdraw and the rate at which it can be withdrawn. On top of that, in order to make your investments "safe," they will have to impose more regulations to prop up those companies.

Put simply, market forces won't apply. It's a proposal that pays lip service to capitalist ideals while at the same time undermining the free market. (Besides, anyone who honestly believes that the feds will have no way of getting their hands on these so-called "private" accounts is living in a dreamworld.)

Unfortunately, conservatives will go along with this ridiculous plan simply because it's "better" than what the Democrats are proposing. Here's an idea: why not start to phase out Social Security? Fulfill the obligations to those currently collecting checks and then offer a refund to people for evey dime they've paid into it. Finally, allow the rest to opt out completely.

The problem is that Republicans can't even bring themselves to admit that the entire concept of a government-controlled retirement plan is not only unconstitutional, but immoral. Until we get to that point, things will keep getting worse.

4,513 posted on 02/03/2005 4:46:01 AM PST by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Annie..I heard on Fox this morning talk about the Dems booing during the speech..I must have missed that?..when was it..thanks


4,514 posted on 02/03/2005 4:59:10 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

I'm not sure it was actually booing, but think they were responding "no" to some of his SS reform potentials.....though most of those ideas have, at one time or another, been touted by Dems over the last decades.


4,515 posted on 02/03/2005 5:06:15 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

OK..that's what I thought..thanks..It was a tad churlish.BTE..see where the Prez goes FIRSDT today..North Dakota..he's got a Dem senator square in his sights..Bye Bye..Conrad..


4,516 posted on 02/03/2005 5:07:37 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

That would be sweet. Gearing up for mid-terms....not wasting any time!


4,517 posted on 02/03/2005 5:10:56 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Conrad will have to make some hard choices on how he votes on judicial nominations..and filabusters


4,518 posted on 02/03/2005 5:12:41 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

It wasn't so much booing as it was hooting in derision, and it was when Bush quoted the actuarial prognosis for the future of Social Security.

Apparently the Dems have some CBO report that pushes back the date of bankruptcy by ten years, but Bush did not use it, using instead the previously accepted time-frame. At least, that's my concept of what they were resting on in daring to hoot at the President's words.

However, it sounded like they didn't take the very real problem seriously, and Bush turned that around on them with his very next lines about the view of those of us with children in their twenties that they will not have a sound retirement system when they retire is that it's no small matter. Hahahahaha!

Then the GOP clapped like crazy.


4,519 posted on 02/03/2005 5:14:58 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: OldFriend
That's very true he can't get away with "near" what he got away with 20 or 30 years ago.
4,520 posted on 02/03/2005 5:20:14 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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