Posted on 01/31/2005 9:14:49 PM PST by TAdams8591
This guys is sick of Michael Schiavo being blamed:
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON THE FLORIDA STARVATION AND DEHYDRATION OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES PREVENTION ACT (SB 692)
Why do we need more Florida legislation when “Terri’s Bill” passed and she is now getting food and fluids?
“Terri’s Bill” allowed Governor Jeb Bush to intervene and order that Terri Schindler-Schiavo be given food and fluids. Under the language of that bill, that order will remain in effect unless the Governor lifts it.
Unfortunately, George Felos, her husband’s attorney, is challenging the constitutionality of “Terri’s Bill.” He is claiming it violates the “separation of powers” doctrine under the Florida Constitution, allegedly invading the province of the judiciary by allowing the Governor and the legislature to direct the outcome of a specific pending case.
If the law is struck down, once all the appeals are exhausted, Terri’s life will again be in danger. Although (at this writing) the courts are not requiring that Terri be starved and dehydrated while the case goes forward, the case is on a fast track, with decisions expected to come much more quickly than the normal pace of court cases.
We can hope and pray that the courts do not strike down “Terri’s law”. It was a brilliant stroke that has bought precious time. In the meantime, what can and must be done as a crucial back up?
A bill that alters Florida law to create a general presumption for food and fluids for those who cannot speak for themselves would not face the separation of powers challenge. Such a bill has been drafted precisely to fit with controlling Florida Supreme Court opinions. It is carefully written to cover Terri’s circumstances. It would also bring protection in the uncounted number of unpublicized cases in which persons with disabilities similar to (and, in many cases, less severe than) those of Terri Schindler-Schiavo are routinely denied food and fluids in nursing homes, hospices, and hospitals.
What can be done that the Florida courts won’t strike down?
In Guardianship of Browning, 568 So. 2d. 4 (1990), the Florida Supreme Court held that under the Florida Constitution a guardian, acting as a surrogate decision maker, must be permitted to make a decision to reject feeding through a tube for a patient who is not presently capable of making health care decisions and who has an incurable condition – even if the patient is neither terminal nor in a “persistent vegetative state.” However, the guardian must base such a decision on “clear and convincing” evidence of what the patient wanted. The Court specifically recognized that reliance on oral statements does not have the same presumption of clear and convincing evidence as written declarations. It stated that “the evidence of the patient’s oral declarations [must be] reliable.”
In creating a presumption that an incompetent person would have wanted nutrition and hydration, the proposed bill provides that the presumption is overcome if the patient executed a valid written declaration (such as a living will) specifically rejecting nutrition and hydration in the applicable circumstances. It also allows the presumption to be overcome if “There is clear and convincing evidence that the incompetent person, when competent, gave express and informed consent to withdrawing or withholding nutrition or hydration in the applicable circumstances.” This conforms to the standard mandated by the Florida Supreme Court, but takes steps statutorily to ensure that the evidence of the patient’s oral wishes is indeed “reliable.”
That “reliability” is increased by ensuring that rather than a casual, thoughtless comment, what is required is evidence of a decision that truly constitutes “express and informed consent.” Based on a combination of elements of two Florida statutory definitions of informed consent, the bill provides, “‘Express and informed consent’ means consent voluntarily given with sufficient knowledge of the subject matter involved to enable the person giving consent to make a knowing and understanding decision without any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, or other form of constraint or coercion. Sufficient knowledge of the subject matter involved includes a general understanding of: (a) The proposed treatment or procedure for which consent is sought; (b) The medical condition of the person for whom consent for the proposed treatment is sought; (c) Any medically acceptable alternative treatment or procedure; and (d) The substantial risks and hazards inherent if the proposed treatment or procedure is carried out and if the proposed treatment or procedure is not carried out.”
This is the critical core of the bill’s protections. In a manner that comports with the parameters set forth by the Florida Supreme Court, it assures that when there is no legal document specifying the person’s wishes, only a statement based on a fully informed decision can be interpreted as “clear and convincing evidence” of intent to reject nutrition and hydration.
Since the courts in the Schiavo case maintained there was “clear and convincing evidence” that Teresa Schindler-Schiavo would have rejected nutrition and hydration, how would the proposed bill save her life?
Any bill that hopes to survive Florida court constitutional scrutiny, based on the existing precedents, must allow for “clear and convincing evidence” that a presently incompetent individual wanted to forego nutrition and hydration, even when the person never executed a legal document specifying his or her wishes. However, in order to ensure the reliability of such evidence, a factor whose importance is acknowledged by Florida Supreme Court precedent, the bill requires that to meet the “clear and convincing evidence” standard, it must be shown that the person gave “express and informed consent” to rejecting nutrition and hydration. As noted above, there is a strict standard for what constitutes truly informed consent. The casual and indefinite statements which Michael Schiavo claimed (and the courts accepted) had been made by Teresa Schindler-Schiavo could not plausibly be said to have been made with a knowledge of the medical condition in which she now finds herself that was sufficient “to make a knowing and understanding decision” based on the “substantial risks and hazards inherent if the proposed treatment or procedure is carried out and if the proposed treatment or procedure is not carried out.” Click here for documentation. Consequently, the presumption the bill creates for the provision of nutrition and hydration would apply to her.
Does the bill require nutrition and hydration in every instance in which it has not been specifically rejected by the patient?
The presumption for nutrition and hydration does not apply when it is medically impossible to provide it, when its provision would actually hasten death (as might be the case, for example, in some cases of kidney failure), or when the medical condition of the person is such that provision of nutrition or hydration would not contribute to sustaining the incompetent person’s life or provide comfort to the incompetent person (as may sometimes occur, for example, in the final stages of the dying process when death is imminent). To safeguard against abuses of these circumstances, the bill defines an objective standard for the “reasonable medical judgment” required to establish their existence.
"Cleverly avoided, huh? Hmmmm. How do we get in touch with Ms. DiTucci? Michael is still owed $$$? Hmmmm."
After my Google lesson the other day-lol- I did find some photos taken by Ruthie DiTucci. When I clicked on the name I got this ruthie@syndicatednews.net
Livers and other organs for sale - and it's about time!
By Ruthie DiTucci
http://www.syndicatednews.net/organs.htm
We're not talking about anything "painless" as MS & Felos lies, but something you go to jail for if you did to your pet.
LOL you have 13 days...it's a week from this coming Monday! Set an alarm on your cell phone to remind yourself.
I think cyn made a separate thread for the birthday card, and then printed everything that was posted (after editing post #'s I guess) then mailed it to the Schindlers. FV may know more about that than me.
thechoosenone could be MS, only signed up on 12/29/2004 and has made 3 posts since then...
How much money will come from the life insurance when she dies?
Excellent. The most compelling argument I have read yet.
Facts is facts.
Anyone who cannot see this is either willfully blind, or corrupt to the core.
Name like thechoosenone..could be the Google instructor...
He did say he felt that God told him, "You are more powerful than you realize.".
"Terri is not a piece of property that one person can give over to another," Felos responded."
No, she isn't.
She's a human being that you and Michael want to kill. B@stards!
The Googly One?
Email just sent.
Save Terri! Save her NOW!
Amen.
And thanks oh so very much for your uplifitng words.
"Cleverly avoided, huh? Hmmmm. How do we get in touch with Ms. DiTucci?"
I was asking myself this same question. And all this diatribe coming from an apparent Catholic. DiTucci is an Italian surname, and most likey a Catholic. Shame on this Ms.!
"This guys is sick of Michael Schiavo being blamed:"
This guy is sicker than Michael Schifo (mispelling intentional).
Excellent, excellent work, pc93!
FREEPERS AND LURKERS, PLEASE, LETS GET CRACKIN' ON THOSE CALLS!
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