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I don't consider all who supported Vatican II "cunning vipers." There's a huge difference between those pereti who were instrumental in wrecking the liturgy or who turned the mic off Cardinal Otaviani even as he was speaking. You want to talk "odious" ... try reading some real-time accounts of the goings-on at Vatican II. Hateful stuff on the part of the "touchy-feely" contingent.

In fact, I'd go so far to say that most enlisted to support the cause were Useful Idiots. I think you forget that ignorance is invincible and that my use of "Useful Idiot" in no way translates to some moral judgment on the poor sap in question.

Folks buy the Big Lie all the time. That doesn't mean they're necessarily stupid or evil, just unable for whatever reason to cut through the PR and agit-prop to see things as they are.

That's just one of the reasons Christ indeed did berate the Pharisees and made perfectly clear that it would be better to be tossed into the sea with a millstone round one's neck than to scandalize a little one ... or otherwise lead one of His sheep to the slaughter.

The evidence is clear. The revolution decimated the faith of Catholics across AmChurch and in Europe particularly. These men will account one day for their part in losing souls to secularism and operating more in line with the wishes of the Rockefellers than the Pope.

Israel is a country of immigrants. The cosmopolitan origin of its population is reflected in the large number of Lodges operating in foreign languages. Apart from Israel's two official languages (Hebrew and Arabic), there are Lodges working in six other languages: English, French, Spanish, German, Romanian, and Turkish.

No Russian? Odd.

Israeli Freemasonry.

Well, I'm glad you don't feel that your moral convictions are superior to *all* who support Vatican II. You admit that *some* of them are just "ignorant, Useful Idiots".

Would these "poor saps," who are just as moral, but dumber than you, include the Pope?

Then, you say:

I think you forget that ignorance is invincible and that my use of "Useful Idiot" in no way translates to some moral judgment on the poor sap in question.

No... I'm not the one who forgets. You were the one accusing me of feeling morally superior to my father simply because I am not as sure of the Bible story as he is.