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To: Trinity_Tx

=== If you feel qualified to denounce their folly, it's obvious you believe that your moral convictions are superior to theirs.


I still think you're framing things somewhat incorrectly.

I need be no more or less "moral" than the cunning vipers of Vatican II to see the objective evidence of what destruction their revolution has wrought in the Church.

A "moral" judgment, rather, would be more along the lines of your respecting your father's love of Christ and his associations but eschewing them, nonetheless.

I'm not rejecting something I know to be a true "Good" in that it's okay for others but not necessary for me ... I'm rejecting a bent and evil deformation of doctrine not only on the basis of its being intrinsically flawed logically but in light of the overwhelming empirical evidence that is the decay, dissent, discord and destruction it's left in its wake.


401 posted on 02/06/2005 8:09:20 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5
"I need be no more or less "moral" than the cunning vipers of Vatican II to see the objective evidence of what destruction their revolution has wrought in the Church."

That's very true. Anyone, even the lowest of the low, can, and in fact find it easy to, judge others, even the Pope, as being "bent and evil cunning vipers" as you do.

But, the person who does make such judgements must indeed feel themselves morally superior, unless they also admit to being an evil, bent, and cunning viper.

If they do admit to such, their moral judgements on others is quite worthless.
404 posted on 02/06/2005 8:40:08 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Askel5
Instead of being a "religious cult," Masonry might better be referred to as an ethical society. Ethical values such as "brotherly love, relief, and truth" are taught through the use of ritual and myth. These teachings are reinforced by the use of the numerous symbols found in Masonic Lodges and in Masonic teachings. Many of these symbols, such as the square, level, and plumb, were taken from the building trades.

At the focal point in a Masonic Lodge is the Altar, which is located at its center with an open Bible (the inestimable gift of G-d to man), square, and compasses.

Altars are normally found in places of religious worship. Why, then, would a Masonic Lodge have an Altar in its center? If a god or gods, or the "Great Architect of the Universe" is worshiped here, doesn't this make Freemasonry a religion?

It is easy to mistake the complex rituals and beautiful symbolism of Freemasonry with those of an established religion. They are not. The only religious involvement in Masonry is that a Mason must profess his belief in a Supreme Being. Other than that, a mason's religious convictions are kept within the temple of his own heart and are his private business.

The open Bible, which represents the Judeo-Christian heritage, is found on the Masonic Altar. Does this mean that other revelations of the word of G-d are not welcome?

Not so. The Bible should be regarded symbolically, as the "word of G-d", with the identity of G-d being left to the conscience of the individual Mason. In this way, the Bible becomes a symbol for G-d and a reminder that G-d speaks to man. Masonry is a world-wide fraternity and other scriptures, such as the Torah and the Koran are found on Masonic Altars in other parts of the world (see Editor's Note below).

The Mason refers to G-d as "The Great Architect of the Universe" and prayer is an important part of Masonic ritual. However, while respecting all religions, great care is taken at all times to show preference to none. The Craft wants its Brethren to be religious men, but considers that the particular religion is an individual choice. By doing this, religious tolerance is encouraged and Masonry has a rich multi-cultural and religious heritage within its ranks.

Freemasonry is neither an enemy nor a substitute for established religion. Instead of undermining traditional religious beliefs, Masonry, through its rituals, teachings, and symbolism, contributes to reinforce those values of "friendship, morality and brotherly love" that are the foundations of religious movements around the world.

Editor's Note: The Grand Lodge in Israel, for example, places three volumes of the Sacred Law on its Altars: the Tanach (Hebrew Bible), the New Testament, and the Koran.

Freemasonry and Religion by David Brownback.

419 posted on 02/06/2005 9:39:35 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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