Freemasonry's Influence in Europe

Zenit.org ^ | January 30, 2005 | Zenit

[malakhi]

In your overview,then the true enemies of freedom must needs include :

Well, that's exactly why I asked him who he considered to be defenders of freedom. There are a few posters on FR who are bona fide monarchists, and many whose definition of "freedom" is nothing like how most people in this country normally use the term.

[nopardons]

I see he's yet to respond to any of us. He's just a hit and run libel spewer.

I don't know if he's a monarchist,or just a run of the mill,tinfoil wrapped nutter.

[Schwaeky]

are you serious... 30 degrees in one weekend...
and i thought going from 1st to 3rd was hard enough....

[editor-surveyor]

"Why would a book be widely published, available in any decent library or today, of course, online - if it contained 'secrets' meant only for the 'masters'? ? Just wondering."

It's widely available today, but that has not always been so. - The average unbeliever reading it will react like 'ugly biker' and will neither challenge nor analyze, and certainly not "put on the whole armor of God." It is only through the Holy Spirit that this kind of evil can be exposed.

I'm doubtful that these things are a concern to you, but keep on wondering; it's better than just accepting.

[editor-surveyor]

".I think that EVERY Mason/spouse,child,grandchild of a Mason should drop Jim a note."

My, you are defensive! Truth is the thing that Freemasons fear the most; it's like kerosene on a tick, isn't it.

BTW, any good mason knows that George Washington demitted and was "purified," that was the first brag they laid on us.

[editor-surveyor]

malakhi, freedom comes only from our Lord, and can be advanced only by proclaiming his gospel; it's not of men.

[nopardons]

Okay,I'll call a spade a spade and stop pussy footing around...YOU'RE BLOODY INSANE !

Masons aren't afraid of the truth;however,you are not only scared to death of the truth,when presented with it,you refuse to see it.You are in serious need of psychiatric help and I mean that,not as an attack of any kind,but in friendship.

"DEMITTED"? "PURIFIED"? Who fed you this horse pucky? Who "laid" what on you? Are you a follower of Texx Marrs or another baying at the moon,supposed man of religion,who bays at the moon and hustles the insufferably gulible out of money?

[nopardons]

Barbra Streisand!

Take your faux religiosity and preach somewhere else.

[malakhi]

malakhi, freedom comes only from our Lord, and can be advanced only by proclaiming his gospel; it's not of men.

That's very nice and all, but it doesn't really answer the questions. WHAT freedoms? WHO defends them? And HOW?

Do you believe in freedom of religion? Of the press? Of speech?

It is sad that I even need to ask these questions, but I've been on enough threads where the "heresy has no rights" line has been advocated to know that it is necessary in order to determine what one means by "freedom".

[nopardons]

You don't understand/know nearly as much as you imagine. You see yourself as some kind of "Christian Crusader" against all evils,when,in fact,all you are is a little man,puffed up with your own importance,PRETENDING to know what you don't and PRETENDING to speak for GOD.

You're going to be very surprised,when that Day of Judgment arrives for you,pet. LOL

[Trinity_Tx]

Do y'all realize that your arguments are like those used by Christians who insist that all Christians should refuse to celebrate Christmas or Easter?

They have pagan roots. Constantine's salvation is questionable - he even kept pagan symbols on his coins after his "conversion". Santa is an anagram for Satan. It's being "of the world"... Trees are about druids... Winter Solstice is worshiping the earth... The name Easter comes from...?
They go on and on.

(The Catholic church itself is considered pagan and related to all sorts of weird and evil things by its detractors. You'd think they would understand how things can be twisted.)

Cannot the Masons be allowed to be Masons for reasons of their own without having you tell them what they are *really* doing?

Spend a day with someone who is convicted that your ways are wrong because of something they know about it that you consider mistaken, twisted, or irrelevant, and perhaps you'll understand why Paul talked about spiritual maturity and convictions over eating meat.

[editor-surveyor]

Still foaming, huh?

[editor-surveyor]

"Do you believe in freedom of religion? Of the press? Of speech?"

Yes, all of the above, but the only freedom that was considered important enough by this nation's founders to die for was the freedom to worship.

Freedom of religion / separation of church and state is really biblical; a priest was not allowed to be King, neither was a King allowed to be priest, except for a King/Priest of the order of Melchisidek (Jesus Christ). Heresy's rights will be adjudicated by the Lord.

[malakhi]

It seems to me, then, that you are advocating the selfsame freedoms supported by the Masonic movement, of whom you referred as "enemies of freedom".

[editor-surveyor]

"You see yourself as some kind of "Christian Crusader" against all evils"

No I don't; that's the Lord's job. I see myself avoiding pitfalls when I see them. Prayer opens my eyes so that I can see them.

[nopardons]

Since I never was "foaming",no,sweetums. But you are still a nutter! ;^)

[editor-surveyor]

"Cannot the Masons be allowed to be Masons for reasons of their own without having you tell them what they are *really* doing?"

That would be a great idea if only they would stop trying to run the world like a puppet show.

[Trinity_Tx]

I've noticed a theme here that bothers me. lol

Someone's being strongly indignant over being accused of something they find reprehensible is absolutely no indication of guilt. I would have thought that after the witch trials, men and women of justice would avoid such an unjust claim.

lol It reminds me of the 6th grade, when a substitute teacher came to our class. He was very mean, so a lot of the kids kept their straws after lunch, and every time his back was turned, they blew spit wads at him.

I felt very sorry for him as he was old and the underdog, and told them to stop.

Finally, he had enough, turned around, and as he started lecturing about it, I chirped up with "I swear I didn't do it!"

He then proceeded to laugh and pulled me forward, saying I was obviously the ring leader since "if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one who yelped was the one you hit."

I was devastated. He refused to listen to me or the others, and I alone had to stand in the corner!

You all do the same thing when you say, "my aren't you defensive", "you protest too much", and "I can understand why you react this way!"

It is just wrong.

If justice means half as much to you as your sense of piety, start practicing it.

[nopardons]

What if it turns out that YOU are the heretic?

No,this nation was not founded on freedom of religion;that's just part of it and not even the reason for the Revolution.

[editor-surveyor]

Go back and read the opening of the thread. It's not supportive of freedom to attempt to abridge the rights of others.