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Glaciers Shrinking in a Warming World
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 1/29/2005 | CHARLES J. HANLEY

Posted on 01/29/2005 1:24:37 PM PST by BJClinton

Glaciers Shrinking in a Warming World

Sat Jan 29, 1:01 PM ET

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By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent

CHACALTAYA GLACIER, Bolivia - Up and down the icy spine of South America, the glaciers are melting, the white mantle of the Andes Mountains washing away at an ever faster rate.

 

"Look. You can see. Chacaltaya has split in two," scientist Edson Ramirez said as he led a visitor up toward a once-grand ice flow high in the thin air of the Bolivian cordillera.

In the distance below, beneath drifting clouds, sprawled 2-mile-high La Paz, a growing city that survives on the water running off the shoulders of these treeless peaks.

Chacaltaya, a frozen storehouse of such water, will be gone in seven to eight years, said Ramirez, a Bolivian glaciologist, or ice specialist.

"Some small glaciers like this have already disappeared," he said as melting icicles dripped on nearby rock, exposed for the first time in millennia. "In the next 10 years, many more will."

They'll disappear far beyond Bolivia. From Alaska in the north, to Montana's Glacier National Park, to the great ice fields of wild Patagonia at this continent's southern tip, the "rivers of ice" that have marked landscapes from prehistory are liquefying, shrinking, retreating.

In east Africa, the storied snows of Mount Kilimanjaro are vanishing. In the icebound Alps and Himalayas of Europe and Asia, the change has been stunning. From South America to south Asia, new glacial lakes threaten to overflow and drown villages below.

In the past few years, space satellites have helped measure the global trend, but scientists such as Rajendra K. Pachauri, a native of north India, have long seen what was happening on the ground.

"I know from observation," Pachauri told a reporter at an international climate conference in Argentina. "If you go to the Himalayan peaks, the rate at which the glaciers are retreating is alarming. And this is not an isolated example. I've seen photographs of Mount Kilimanjaro 50 years ago and now. The evidence is visible."

"Ample" evidence indicates that global warming is causing glaciers to retreat worldwide, reports the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.N.-sponsored network of climate scientists led by Pachauri.

Global temperatures rose about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the 20th century. French glaciologists working with Ramirez and other scientists at La Paz's San Andres University estimate that the Bolivian Andes are warming even faster, currently at a half-degree Fahrenheit per decade.

The warming will continue as long as "greenhouse gases," primarily carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels, accumulate in the atmosphere, say the U.N. panel and other authoritative scientific organizations.

The Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites), an international agreement, mandates cutbacks in such emissions, but the reductions are small and the United States, the biggest emitter, is not a party, arguing that the mandates will set back the U.S. economy.

As that pact takes effect Feb. 16, the impact of climate change is already apparent.

An international study concluded in November that winter temperatures have risen as much as 7 degrees Fahrenheit over 50 years in the Arctic, where permafrost is thawing and sea ice is shrinking. Pacific islands are losing land to encroaching seas, oceans expanding as they warm and as they receive runoff from the Greenland ice cap and other sources.

Those sources include at least one gushing new river of meltwater in western China, where thousands of Himalayan and other glaciers are shrinking. In the Italian Alps, 10 percent of the ice melted away in the European heat wave of 2003 and experts fear all will be gone in 20 to 30 years.

Such rapid runoff would do more than feed rising seas. It would end centuries of reliable flows through populated lands, jeopardizing water supplies for human consumption, agriculture and electricity.

 

In Peru, endowed with vast Andean ice caps and glaciers, 70 percent of the power comes from hydroelectric dams catching runoff, but officials fear much of it could be gone within a decade. Meanwhile, new mountainside lakes are bulging from the melt, threatening to break their banks and devastate nearby towns.

Here in impoverished Bolivia, the government has barely begun to plan for climate change.

Tomas Quisbert, a hydrological engineer with the water company serving the 2 million people of the La Paz region, said 95 percent of its supplies come from the mountains, either rain runoff or glacier melt. "But we can't say precisely how much comes from the glaciers," he said.

Ramirez and fellow scientists are seeking government support to do a complete assessment of water in the La Paz basin, linked to computer modeling of future regional climate and its impact.

They'll soon move on from 17,500-foot-high Chacaltaya ("Cold Road" in the native Aymara language) as it shrinks toward oblivion. But in 13 years of intense study of the glacier, the scientists have gathered a rich lode of data representative of countless small glaciers across the region.

A rugged hour's drive up from La Paz, with a simple mountain lodge beside it, Chacaltaya was once the world's highest ski slope. But no one has skied down its tongue of snow-coated ice since 1998. The melt has exposed rock right across its midsection, splitting the glacier in two.

It covers an area of less than 15 acres, with ice less than 26 feet thick. Ramirez said it lost two-thirds of its mass in the 1990s alone, and is now probably a mere 2 percent the size it once was.

Chacaltaya and other Andean glaciers had been retreating since the 18th century, when the "Little Ice Age" ended locally, but the rate has picked up dramatically in recent decades, melting three times faster since the 1980s than in the mid-20th century.

Although rising temperatures are an underlying factor, glaciologists find a complex cycle at work: A warming Pacific Ocean has created disruptive El Nino climate periods more frequently and powerfully, reducing precipitation, including snows to replenish glaciers. Less snow also means glaciers that are less white, more gray, absorbing more heat. Newly exposed rock walls then act like an oven to further speed melting.

Whatever the regional wrinkles, "it's a global view," said Lonnie Thompson, one of the world's foremost glaciologists.

"What we see in the Andes is happening in Kilimanjaro and in the Himalayas. We've just been in southeast Alaska, and 1,987 out of 2,000 glaciers are retreating there," the Ohio State University scientist said in a telephone interview from Columbus.

"It's a very compelling story," he said. The glaciers — "water towers of the world" — are the most visible indicators that we are now in the first phase of global warming, Thompson said.


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KEYWORDS: climatechange; environment; glacier; globalcooling; globalwarming; greenhouse
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To: NorCalRepub
Folks, maybe the glaciers are not melting:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

Some glaciers in South America, including the Pio XI and Moreno Glaciers, are growing. The Pio XI Glacier is the largest glacier in the southern hemisphere. The Moreno Glacier is the largest glacier in Patagonia. I find it curious that news reports do not mention these two huge glaciers.

The last Little Ice Age continued from about 1400 to 1850. It was followed by a period of slight warming. There are a growing number of signs that we may be descending into another Little Ice Age-all the mountains of "global warming" propaganda aside." "Geological evidence shows that in the last Ice Age, the southern boundary of the continental ice sheet, known as a terminal moraine, stretched down the center of Long Island, through New York City, across New Jersey and Pennsylvania to Southern Illinois and Missouri, then up the Plains States through Montana and Washington State. All of this real estate was buried under one to two miles of ice. "Geologically and climatologically speaking, we are due for another such glacial advance . . . and in some places (it) may already be taking place. "Since 1980, there has been an advance of more than 55% of the 625 mountain glaciers under observation by the World Glacier Monitoring group in Zurich. (From 1926 to 1960, some 70-95% of these glaciers were in retreat.) "That brings us to the Nisqually glacier, up on the 14,410-foot Mount Rainier, near Tacoma, Wash. "In 1931, fearful that the receding glacier would provide insufficient runoff for their newly completed hydroelectric facility, Tacoma City Light began careful measurements of the glacier. Since the mid-1800s, the glacier had receded about 1 kilometer. The details are described in the September 2000 issue of Washington Geology: " Between 1994 and 1997, the glacier thickened by 17 meters at 2,800-m altitude, indicating probable glacier advance during the first decade of the 21st century." "That's the story from Mount Rainier. Retired geologist Sauers, who has been observing conditions in the Cascade Mountains of western Washington for a lifetime, says "I'm preparing for an Ice Age." Perhaps we all should."

Click here to see the full article: http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/Ice_Age.html

21 posted on 01/29/2005 2:01:23 PM PST by Woodworker
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To: BJClinton

didn't this shrinking glacier shrinking stuff already get disproven? Ice expands and concentrates. A glacier melts and ice forms over a broader area.


22 posted on 01/29/2005 2:01:47 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: All
We have had numerous threads on here that document what little pollution we do to the atmosphere pales to the natural pollution like from a volcano or such. Basically this entire article is so much Barbara S designed to make us look bad for doing to Kyoto what we should do the the UN. Tell them where to stick it.
23 posted on 01/29/2005 2:05:50 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: BJClinton
Meanwhile, Unusual Arctic Cold Raises Fears for Ozone Hole

Of course, anytime it is warmer than average, it is proof positive of global warming. Anytime it is colder than average it is also proof positive of global warming.

Global warming is currently being observed on several planets in the solar system (including Mars and Pluto). But it couldn't possibly be caused by solar cycles. It is all because of Bush and those damned SUVs.

24 posted on 01/29/2005 2:05:58 PM PST by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: BJClinton

Geologists have reported up to 120 new glaciers in the Colorado Rockies, many new glaciers in Norway, and a thickening of the ice in Antarctica. You can google this info for verification.


25 posted on 01/29/2005 2:08:49 PM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: Woodworker
There are a growing number of signs that we may be descending into another Little Ice Age ...

Which is why in the 1970s all of the environmental whackos were crying that pollution was causing another ice age. When the data did not back up their predictions, they switched to global warming. I am betting in about 10 years they will switch back to ice age.

26 posted on 01/29/2005 2:08:53 PM PST by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: BJClinton

20 below today, but we had orchestra rehearsal anyway.


27 posted on 01/29/2005 2:09:04 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Woodworker

I read the same...some glaciers may be retreating, but others are growing. Going to check out your link.


28 posted on 01/29/2005 2:10:26 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: BJClinton; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
29 posted on 01/29/2005 2:13:25 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: BJClinton

I think that glaciers are beginning to form here in New England. Since early December, the snowdrifts around here have been getting higher and higher. Today at the Barnes and Noble, I climbed over a 30-foot snowbank to get to my car (mainly because I was too lazy to walk around it). No kidding, it was 30-feet high. That sucker's not melting until May. If we get a few more feet of snow, it might not melt at all this summer and then it will just get bigger next year.


30 posted on 01/29/2005 2:13:40 PM PST by SamAdams76 (iPod Shuffle Is A Gateway Drug)
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To: Burlem

Message board at Michael Crichton's official website--->>>

http://www.crichton-official.com/~adara/cgi-bin/messageboard-mc/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000004


31 posted on 01/29/2005 2:14:08 PM PST by dennisw (Pryce-Jones: Arab culture is steeped in conspiracy theories, half truths, and nursery rhyme politics)
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To: BJClinton

Duh, glaciers are always expanding and retreating. Always have, always will. The article did not mention the fact that 90 percent of the Antarctica ice cap is growing.


32 posted on 01/29/2005 2:22:32 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: BJClinton

Crichton's book is an easy read, and will be quite a revelation to those who put their trust in the media spin surrounding Global warming version. It's quite surprising it was published in the first place, and that the media hasn't gone after Crichton personally....yet.


33 posted on 01/29/2005 2:27:11 PM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: BJClinton
Last spring we took an Alaskan cruise. It was fantastic. We took a tour to a hunting lodge in Juneau called the Taku Lodge. While we were there the guide told us that the glacier across the lake, called Hole in the Wall Glacier, grew more than 20 feet last year. He also said that several glaciologists traveled out to see it because it was the fastest growing glacier in the world. In short, glaciologists are not exactly sure what makes glaciers grow or retreat. For instance, the glacier next to Hole in the Wall glacier is retreating, but at a much smaller pace than Hole in the Wall glacier is expanding.
34 posted on 01/29/2005 2:27:52 PM PST by ChewyGasMan
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To: Woodworker

Well that kinda flies in the face of this "report".


35 posted on 01/29/2005 2:28:11 PM PST by BJClinton (South Park Republican)
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To: BJClinton

So, is it supposed to be "true" global warming, or one that actually triggers the next ice age? In either case, let me fire up the car.


36 posted on 01/29/2005 2:42:32 PM PST by steveegg (The secret goal of lieberals - to ensure that no future generation can possibly equal theirs.)
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To: steveegg

I'm gonna fire up the BBQ, smoke a few stoagies, maybe fart a few times...I'm just a walking environmental disaster.


37 posted on 01/29/2005 2:45:21 PM PST by BJClinton (South Park Republican)
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To: BJClinton

I guess they haven't heard: the "hocky stick" is broken.


38 posted on 01/29/2005 3:59:30 PM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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To: BJClinton

I guess they haven't heard: the "hockey stick" is broken.


39 posted on 01/29/2005 3:59:44 PM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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To: Woodworker

interesting. thanks.


40 posted on 01/29/2005 4:02:08 PM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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