[WildTurkey]

Sorry, the whole issue of the second law is a red-herring raised only by those with no understanding of thermodynamics. It's a red flag for ignorance.

It's a red flag that they have been to a creationist website withing the last 24 hours.

[metacognative]

I understand the 2nd Law perfectly. Darwin's theory of hgiher forms of complexity, indded the formation of DNA at all, is totally at odds with the tendency toward disorder. The sunshine dodge is useless because energy itself does not cause odering, in fact the opposite is more true.