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To: WildHorseCrash
"Existence is not a wholly and truly random process. Thus, your statement that blinking into existence is as possible as any other states of the universe is not only wrong, but ridiculously so."

Thus? "Thus" by what? That the universe is not a "wholly and truly random process" -- therefore you assert design, AND intelligent design. For design implies intelligence. Because you find yourself in all your glories existing! Hooray!

Because from that you CAN deduce a G-d, a G-d constantly directing the process, and a Merciful One. Why merciful? Because only a merciful G-d would not TAUNT you with meaningless false memories of existance prior to the very picosecnd you read this, taunt you by popping the whole universe, you and all you glorious memories into existance just *now*. It is the most logical of deductions.

Yet without such a benign G-d, the universe, you and all your memories could -- by godfree logic -- equally as popped up just *now* in this exact state as in any other state.

1,857 posted on 02/07/2005 8:53:09 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
>> "Existence is not a wholly and truly random process. Thus, your statement that blinking into existence is as possible as any other states of the universe is not only wrong, but ridiculously so." <<

Thus? "Thus" by what?

In your inability to quote me in context the result of a organic disease or is it genetically based?

You stated regarding the idea of blinking into existence a microsecond ago,

No evidence? There's no evidence against it. It is one of the possible states of the universe, and as equally possible as any other.

I wrote, in response:

[I]n a wholly and truly random process, no one state or outcome is more likely than any other, subject to the specifics of the process. Existence is not a wholly and truly random process. Thus, your statement that blinking into existence is as possible as any other states of the universe is not only wrong, but ridiculously so.

In other words, you are correct that any specific state would be as likely as any other, but only in a wholly random universe. We do not live in a wholly random universe. Thus, any specific state in our universe is not as likely as any other.

That the universe is not a "wholly and truly random process" -- therefore you assert design, AND intelligent design. For design implies intelligence.

False. There is more to the universe than Random v. Designed. That is a wholly false dichotomy. Further, nothing in design implies intelligence. That is the shortcut of the intellectually lazy. Intelligence could lead to design, but the presence of the latter does not necessarily indicate the former.

Because from that you CAN deduce a G-d, a G-d constantly directing the process, and a Merciful One. Why merciful? Because only a merciful G-d would not TAUNT you with meaningless false memories of existance prior to the very picosecnd you read this, taunt you by popping the whole universe, you and all you glorious memories into existance just *now*. It is the most logical of deductions.

Okay, skippy, whatever you say. If you want to believe that, feel free. You're a regular Thomas Aquinas. But I ask you, why then is God ("-" isn't a letter, by the way. It's punctuation.) TAUNTing us by putting evidence of evolution everywhere, and no evidence of design anywhere? Oh, that's right. Natural processes full of ad hoc solutions, evolutionary dead-ends and imperfections are all part of the marvelous "design"

1,858 posted on 02/07/2005 9:17:39 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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