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To: betty boop

Self organization may play a role in producing change, but selection still shapes the direction of change. It makes no difference what causes or produces the change.


1,780 posted on 02/05/2005 12:44:21 PM PST by js1138
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Self organization may play a role in producing change, but selection still shapes the direction of change. It makes no difference what causes or produces the change.

I don't completely agree, js1138. It seems to me that quite definitely selection is what ever shapes the direction of change. But, contrary to what you suggest, it must really make a difference what causes or produces the change, at least to a neo-Darwinist; for the neo-Darwinist insists that only “nature” – i.e., natural selection, understood as prompts coming in from the external environment – can be a source of selection pressure.

But it seems to me that in highly organized living systems, there are a whole lot of other “selections” that have to be made internally to the system, such that all the gadzillions of its constituting parts can operate together, cooperatively and synergistically, so as to maintain the conditions that can support biological life.

IOW, Darwinist evolutionary theory seems to account beautifully for selections made according to the external, environmental pressures, but is entirely silent about the internal, biologically- or organismically-driven ones. And for that reason I continue to suspect that the theory is somehow incomplete as a comprehensive theory of biological life. JMHO FWIW

1,809 posted on 02/06/2005 12:17:24 PM PST by betty boop
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