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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

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To: WildTurkey

I said: "Not here. I prefer to fight each battle only once. Those who have been paying attention know exactly what I am talking about."

You said:

>>It means you can't support your allegation.<<

My response:
Blah, blah, blah. It means whatever you want it to mean, apparently. ;^>


901 posted on 01/31/2005 12:44:23 PM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: WildTurkey
Thank you for your additional reply!

IMHO, one "gets past go" by being able to separate that which is a theological issue from that which is a science issue and argue it accordingly.

If one wishes to argue theological issues, then Scriptures, lexicons and ancient manuscripts are the most authoritative sources to make a point.

If one wishes to argue science, then published articles in respected journals are the most authoritative sources to make a point.

Just my two cents...

902 posted on 01/31/2005 12:45:29 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: general_re; Alamo-Girl

I really don't understand AG's argument. Do you?


903 posted on 01/31/2005 12:46:08 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey; RobRoy
Errors in Science Textbooks:

CNN article on the subject It contained this url for reporting errors in middle school textbooks

There are many others which showed up in a Google, but this ought to get the discussion back on track.

904 posted on 01/31/2005 12:49:48 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
You took his assertion to mean that he "can't support" his allegation. He's been around long enough to take him at his word.

That means nothing. One can be mistaken or one can be lying. Recently, a guy that signed up in 1999 took my post to task and said it was false and if I had read the previous threads I would know what I was talking about.

Another poster came to my aid and showed that in the previous threads, he had participated in ONE with two meaningless posts while I had posted 136 times on ALL threads.

Bottom line - I take noones word if I believe it to be biased based on his agenda. If he is going to post it, he better be able to back it up or go home.

905 posted on 01/31/2005 12:50:30 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: 68 grunt
Thank you so much for the encouragment, 68 grunt! Hugs!
906 posted on 01/31/2005 12:50:36 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: general_re
So very true and wise! Thank you!
907 posted on 01/31/2005 12:51:20 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: WildTurkey
But only a few hours since your last visit to a creationist website.

I think you have mistaken me for someone else.

908 posted on 01/31/2005 12:53:53 PM PST by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl
Truly, I wish there were some way that we could likewise organize matters on the generalized (and typically, quite large) evolution threads so that it would be easier to “fast forward” through the boilerplate.

We've tried. That was a great motivation for my compiling the List-O-Links. It was also why we included in the "Agreement of the Willing" a provision that "agressive amnesia" was abusive.

But the problem continues, for some or all of these reasons:

1. New freepers showing up, unaware that we've all been there before.
2. Some regular freepers maliciously persist in posting the same debunked arguments.
3. Some (new or old) who insist that their interpretation of scripture trumps physical evidence.
So it gets heated, sometimes, as the old-timers grow short of patience. Whatcha gonna do?
909 posted on 01/31/2005 12:53:57 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: metacognative

I believe Darwinite has atomic number 111 in the periodic table.


910 posted on 01/31/2005 12:54:29 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Alamo-Girl

Very nice post. You pretty much nailed my perspective on this thing too. The threads I enjoy the most are the ones where I disagree with other freepers. That confines most of my comments to threads on animal rights, music downloading and evolution.

But in all three, you just sort of tire of seeing the same arguments over and over and over. For a while I actually started saving my responses as word documents, then every so often I would cut and paste them into a response to someone (prefacing it with a sentence saying I had done as much).

What is really "new" to the debate lately is that the same thing really does seem to be happening to the evolution side of this as happened to Dan Rather. It is a new and exciting twist, and another reason to praise the internet as a way to really disseminate information. I think it is also why Bush won the election. Lies just do not have the legs they used to.

In other words, for me the story here is that the debate (fight) has spilled from the confines of the dark and controlled auditorium out into the broad dailight of the street. Many of the combatants are rather embarrassed by the now obvious puppet strings dangling from their bodies.

I love when this happens, even when I am the one the light of day is cast upon in a not so positive light - albeit it can be more acutely painful then, in the short term.


911 posted on 01/31/2005 12:54:39 PM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
IMHO, one "gets past go" by being able to separate that which is a theological issue from that which is a science issue and argue it accordingly.

But that is exactly WHY we will never get past go.

If one wishes to argue theological issues, then Scriptures, lexicons and ancient manuscripts are the most authoritative sources to make a point.

Theological issues may use all resources for argument. God is faith and I do not attempt to argue one way or the other.

912 posted on 01/31/2005 12:55:02 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Back atcha, ma'am. You're one of the calming forces at FR that keep me from completely going off my rocker.


913 posted on 01/31/2005 12:55:25 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: WildTurkey; Ichneumon
Thank you for your additional reply!

I take noones word if I believe it to be biased based on his agenda. If he is going to post it, he better be able to back it up or go home.

I am one of those around here who keeps exhaustive archives and is more than happy to do additional research and back up anything I assert. I also tend to do the same for others who ask or who I suspect may be having difficulty locating an article which I recognize.

Ichneumon is notoriously of the same discipline wrt research. However, either of us are just as likely to bury a thread with sources - so we broach such posts cautiously.

But not all Freepers or Lurkers keep such exhaustive archives and asking everyone to post a source may be burdensome. If sources become a "horn of contention" in future discussion, I'll be glad to help if I can.

914 posted on 01/31/2005 1:00:54 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; RobRoy; WildTurkey; PatrickHenry; marron
Thanks so much for your kind words, Alamo-Girl! I thoroughly enjoyed that thread, too.

I can understand how Rob Roy feels. One often gets a dreaded sense of deja vu on the evolution threads -- kind of a "been there, done that already" feeling....

Indeed, as you say, one does not want "to fight the same battles over and again."

915 posted on 01/31/2005 1:01:57 PM PST by betty boop
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To: Alamo-Girl

No it won't. That was about errors in textbooks. No one denies that there are errors but they are fixed when known. What he proclaime was in reference to evolution only and implied that the science of evolution was nonsense being taught as science.


916 posted on 01/31/2005 1:02:05 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RobRoy; Alamo-Girl
But in all three, you just sort of tire of seeing the same arguments over and over and over.

The reason we get into the same arguments over and over is that the creationists keep posting the same claims over and over again. And when challenged, they claim they don't want to get into the same argument. Well D@mn. If you want to make the same baseless claims over and over, you better darn well expect the same ol' arguments.

917 posted on 01/31/2005 1:06:17 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

No doubt about it, you know what you don't know.

Now here's one to wrap your mind around: You don't know what you don't know. (nor do I) 8^>


918 posted on 01/31/2005 1:07:53 PM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thank you for your reply!

Is the "list of links" - or a url to them - always posted when you ping people to science threads? If not, it might be helpful to post a "newcomer's welcome" on your usual ping...

On the list of three causes for revisiting, I only have a recommendation for the third:

3. Some (new or old) who insist that their interpretation of scripture trumps physical evidence.

When the issue turns to Spiritual matters on a science thread, it is better to lay down the cards and walk away rather than continue. The reason is because in the eyes of a Christian (I am one, obviously) - reality is God's will and unknowable in its fullness. Therefore, Truth trumps facts. Every time. It serves no purpose to argue to the contrary.

However, a big however, it is quite useful to make all such arguments on a theological/philosophy thread. Metaphysical naturalism v. various doctrines of Christianity, etc.

919 posted on 01/31/2005 1:08:50 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: PatrickHenry
2. Some regular freepers maliciously persist in posting the same debunked arguments.

Only thing, only one side considerst them debunked. The other side considers them valid so it will never end.

So it gets heated, sometimes, as the old-timers grow short of patience. Whatcha gonna do?

Even short-timers grow short of patience. I mean how many times on this thread have I heard that "God created the sun on day 4 thus evolution is impossible.

The best one is the "entropy" argument where they post false science and give all these links. Totally bogus but it keeps reappearing.

920 posted on 01/31/2005 1:10:58 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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