Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative
That would make Cain's wife Cain's sister. No wonder they skipped this in Sunday School ...
I had the same experience and vision that reports of NDE's claim and I was not near death or drugged. I was wide awake.
You don't follow that a lot of fanatics take the preachings of a history professor over a well-founded scientific theory as looking rediculous to the scientific community?
Not at all. Seems your very first post was an attack. Thank you.
from some "MoM" about her groovy little Brat:
LOL.. well duh. My nine year old figured that out. LOL. She has seen my pics of micro- organisms plus the macroscopic world. With no federal funding and no advanced degrees- she figured out it would be statistically impossible no matter how many millions of years for each organism to develop from one common cellular structure. She thought that even after a gamillion years we would be lucky to have a small portion of living organisms today. Critical home- grown thinking.
Not necessarily. I would think that any tendency to make that claim arises from the frustration with Darwinists who make the opposite claim, namely that evolution precludes the possibility of a designer, which it in no way does. For every Creationist who claims that the everything was created magically without resort to a knowable process you have an equal number of Darwinists who are uncomfortable or even stridently against the concept that a Designer is involved or even needed. Some Creationists feel that evolution seems to lessen the role of a designer. I don't personally think it does. Because I use screwdrivers and hammers and glue and nails in assembling a house doesn't take away from my claim that I built the house. And if a quadriplegic, incapable of wielding those same tools, observes me using those tools to build my house, it doesn't make him any more capable of utilizing the tools and building my own house. If evolution does turn out to represent a mechanism used in achieving the diversity of species found on earth, knowing that mechanism does not bring me any closer to gaining the ability of designing and implementing such a system myself to create the same result. Knowledge doesn't always confer capability. Conversely, evolution in no way requires nor denies the existence of a designer. Those evolutionists who claim that it does are as unjustified as those creationists who claim the opposite.
As I said earlier, a little knowledge is dangerous. You obviously slept through non-Euclidean geometry. What was the most advanced math class? Algebra I?
The factions here want to be sure they bear the mark of evolutionist or creationist so they can have the safety of belonging. This fear of being separated from the "herd" so to speak is a primal one and was discussed early on in the bible... Gen 4:14-16
14Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me."15And the LORD said to him, "Therefore,[a] whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.
Certainly not intended that way.
What bothers me about the ND's is their refusal to utter the words intelligent design in the face of repeatable and observable science, namely bioengineering and it's ability to direct changes in alleles.
No I don't follow. I don't understand why a highly trained scientist as yourself get's so passionate at my post.
Your response
You don't follow that a lot of fanatics take the preachings of a history professor over a well-founded scientific theory as looking rediculous to the scientific community?
Did I say that? I posted a comment to a poster and that seemed to invoke a lot of passion. Why? What does that? I made a comment supporting his choice to teach his child that ID is how we got here and the response was so passionate that it was noteworthy. Did it not? When you refer to yourself as 'we' can I safely assume you are speaking officially for many?
Can you offer any rational or theological reason why someone arbitrarily designated as "near death" should have any special religious insight? Is God so stupid that He cannot distinguish between someone whose brain is temporarily malfunction, and someone who is permanently dead?
I ask this as someone who had one of thos childhood experiences under anesthesia. What is the point of attaching theological significnce to a drug experience?
You can imagine whatever you might, I have no power to stop your fervid imagination.
I've studied algebra and geometry. Post graduate level. Non-linear, variational calculus, compact manifolds, balls and neighborhoods, epsilons and all that. In seventh grade my teacher, a sweet Chinese woman, btw, taught me non-euclidian geometry, I had already learned set theory and could run through proofs like a hot knife through butter -- very mechanical.
Why do you seperate algebra and geometry? That's very Pythagorean of you, I'd say. You and Ichysaurus both. DesCartes amoung others found systems to join them together, as they actually are joined in the abstract -- human pig-headedness keeps them seperate. Hooray for the Renaissance! In many ways the extreme "evolutionists" have become like that "Holy Mother Church" which nearly offed Galileo Galilea. Algebra and geometry: Symbols are symbols in whatever framework of expression they appear.
"Algebraic geometey" -- most high schoolers know -- do sine and cosine and tangent ring any bells? Sure they do -- they are part of algebraic geometry.
Uh, you must have missed the post where the mom you supported said her kid was smarter than the scientists ...
Then why did you ask me the sum of the angles in a triangle without giving me sufficient information to answer?
You say "And if a quadriplegic, incapable of wielding those same tools, observes me using those tools to build my house, it doesn't make him any more capable of utilizing the tools and building my own house." -- well if that quadriplegic was an architect or general contractor and directed a crew to build a house that quad could also honestly claim to have built the house.
Wow. How can intelligent design supporters compete with an educated scientific comeback like that? I guess we need to fold up tent and go home. No mas! No mas!
In your case you are most definedly neither, so why were you unable to answer a question that has a answer known to all as a SIMPLE FACT?
For the same reason we separate algebra and calculus.
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