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hysterical Darwinites panic
crosswalk ^ | 2004 | creationist

Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

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To: bvw
Why are there no plants as evolved as animals?

Are you suggesting plants aren't successful? More importantly, from where do yo derive the false notion that evolution has a necessary or predictable direction?

Why is there sex?

Even bacteria and viruses engage in DNA exchange and insertion. Where is there not sex?

1,441 posted on 02/02/2005 9:27:45 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Again, creationist falsely assert that evolution predicts a direction of change or a specified outcome.

Their basic assumption is that Adam was created with perfect genes and ever since the gene pool has degraded.

There second assumption is that evolution is impossible because "evolution requires that the gene pool" (of humans) is constantly improving to perfection thus in conflict with their Biblical interpretation of life.

1,442 posted on 02/02/2005 9:30:22 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: js1138
Is equilibrium a specified outcome?

Let's look at the fossil record even. In each epoch we seem to see that a set of animal species fill each niche and that those niches are similar to today's fit of species to niche.

Yet plants never seem to have evolved into any niche that required independently directed motion.

And sexless organisims never seem to have evovled much at all -- yet they have avoided erradication by animals or plants competeing for their niche.

There is one HYPOTHESIS -- hard to raise it to the level of theory -- that the random mix of natural physical processes operating under strict darwinistic evolution would for complex and subtle reasons unknown at this time result in such a current state. That is a HOPE, a FAITH, a BELIEF SYSTEM.

It is unproven. It is not a reasonable projection of more proven and evidenced theory either -- not reasonable, that is, if it is asserted as the ONLY reasonable projection.

1,443 posted on 02/02/2005 9:33:36 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
Well, first, you can't store energy without first gathering it somehow. Beyond that, it's not a hypothesis, it's purely a numbers problem - it's mathematically inescapable. The average amount of solar energy that hits the surface of the earth is 3000-4000 kcal/m2/day. Plants have a photosynthetic efficiency of 1-3% - that is, they are able to convert 1-3% of the solar energy they receive into useable chemical energy. So, for a 1 m2 plant, it can produce, at best, 120 kcal per day (3% of 4000 kcal) of useable chemical energy. You, being a normal human, probably burn through 1500-2000 kcal per ordinary day, or if you're exceptional, potentially far more - Olympic athletes in training can easily burn through 10-12,000 kcal per day. Anyway, the long and the short of it is that photosynthesis just doesn't produce the juice you need.
1,444 posted on 02/02/2005 9:34:14 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: MarIboro
...that doesn't mean I had to join now does it.

When Bill Clinton said stuff like that we called it a non-denial denial. Some of us called it a Clintonian denial.

1,445 posted on 02/02/2005 9:34:21 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

That's not sexual. It is called "asexual reproduction". And surely you knew that -- it's in any biology text.


1,446 posted on 02/02/2005 9:35:20 AM PST by bvw
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To: general_re

You just put a theory is search of a conclusion, and waved some magic wand from under your selfhood vanity to say "This it it, baby! My way or the highway!"


1,447 posted on 02/02/2005 9:37:36 AM PST by bvw
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To: tortoise
If one can get people to acknowledge that the probability space is not isotropic...

As a semi-inumerant, I would appreciate a link to an explanation of whatever that means. Or a concrete example.

1,448 posted on 02/02/2005 9:38:13 AM PST by js1138
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To: general_re

And here is my pratical rebuke of your proof: Alchohol burning engines.


1,449 posted on 02/02/2005 9:39:20 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

There is no specified outcome.


1,450 posted on 02/02/2005 9:43:21 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Even bacteria and viruses engage in DNA exchange and insertion. Where is there not sex?

Cartoon idea here:

Frame 1. Cartoon bacterium (semi blob, no flagellum or anything.)

Frame 2. Cartoon of cell division beginning.

Frame 3. Cartoon of almost finished cell division, with just a small "bridge" or filament of protoplasm left to connect the dividing cells.

Frame 4. Two cells, next to each other.

Frame 5. The same two cells, with a one cell asking the other:

"Was it good for you?"

Cheers!

1,451 posted on 02/02/2005 9:46:05 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: general_re

Note that "The Plant Kingdom" dos not need "The Animal Kingdom" to survive, but not vice versa.


1,452 posted on 02/02/2005 9:46:52 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: grey_whiskers
Cheers!


1,453 posted on 02/02/2005 9:48:03 AM PST by js1138
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To: bvw

As you admitted, you slept through HS biology. No need to keep reinforcing that fact with your continued posting. We are already convinced.


1,454 posted on 02/02/2005 9:48:15 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw
And here is my pratical rebuke of your proof: Alchohol burning engines.

And here is my rebuke of your proof: Diesel burning engines.

1,455 posted on 02/02/2005 9:53:49 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: js1138

Justice Potter Stewart's remarks come to mind.


1,456 posted on 02/02/2005 10:03:51 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Elsie
"Sure; he's a vegetarian."

LOLOL! Sure he is!

1,457 posted on 02/02/2005 10:07:02 AM PST by betty boop
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To: bvw

Where does the alcohol come from?


1,458 posted on 02/02/2005 10:14:57 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: bvw
You just put a theory is search of a conclusion...

Ummm, no. You can, of course, have any opinion you like, but what you're not entitled to are your own facts - I notice that your "rebuttal" didn't do much in the way of challenging the facts. And those are the facts, regardless of how you feel about them - plant photosynthesis does not produce enough energy to support a non-plant lifestyle.

1,459 posted on 02/02/2005 10:18:09 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: WildTurkey

I'm not sure where mineral oil comes from. Is it vegetable of mineral?


1,460 posted on 02/02/2005 10:19:23 AM PST by bvw
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