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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

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To: js1138
Well, I take it back. It's not quite symmetric.

It's either a very perfect natural snowflake, or a very elegant design where the artist captured the small asymmetries of reality without destroying the overall picture of symmetry.

The point is well made, in other words. :-)

1,341 posted on 02/01/2005 4:49:39 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: Heartlander
Yet I am the ‘bad guy’?

I'm not picking on you personally, but I am questioning your ideas. I have no regard whatsoever for the feelings of your ideas.

I (and most biologists) regard the ID probability calculations as a monumental irrelevancy. At least 20 people on this thread have tried to explain why. You are calculating the probability of something that biology has never claimed happened. You are arguing against something that doesn't exist and never has existed.

1,342 posted on 02/01/2005 4:49:59 PM PST by js1138
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To: Right Wing Professor; js1138

It's a photo
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/photos/photos.htm


1,343 posted on 02/01/2005 4:58:07 PM PST by neutrality
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To: js1138
You are calculating the probability of something that biology has never claimed happened. You are arguing against something that doesn't exist and never has existed.

What?

1,344 posted on 02/01/2005 5:00:02 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Right Wing Professor
Anyone remember where DittoJed2 was from?

IIRC, he thought he was from a TV show.

1,345 posted on 02/01/2005 5:26:02 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: general_re

Goodseed, I'll bet.


1,346 posted on 02/01/2005 5:26:37 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: balrog666

Nevermind, that was the strange Jesse whats-his-name!


1,347 posted on 02/01/2005 5:27:16 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Heartlander
Consider your scheme as a feedback loop when referring to populations of "sequences"

sequence -> structure -> function -> Survive? if yes continue to next generation.

The sequences that encode for the best functions will be preserved and eventually dominate the population.

Invoking a designer sitting at a work bench whittling away at sequences is superfluous when the struggle to reproduce/survive shapes the sequence over time.

1,348 posted on 02/01/2005 5:56:19 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Right Wing Professor

I think I was number 5 (with a bullet).


1,349 posted on 02/01/2005 5:58:10 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: neutrality
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/photos/photos.htm

Awesome site.

1,350 posted on 02/01/2005 6:05:46 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
Invoking a designer sitting at a work bench whittling away at sequences is superfluous when the struggle to reproduce/survive shapes the sequence over time.

Now I invoke a ‘designer sitting at a work bench whittling away at sequences’? These imaginary arguments are… not intelligently designed.

Where does a ‘struggle’ to do anything exist within purely naturalistic constraints? Is nature invoking ‘struggle’? Where does ‘survive’ exist within purely naturalistic constraints? Is nature invoking ‘survival’? Whittle me this batman….

1,351 posted on 02/01/2005 6:17:15 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: balrog666
What?

Since you know only the one true case and you don't know of any allowable FALSE cases you cannot calculate the probability. If you come along and find a coin laying on the ground and you see only a "head", would you then calculate the probability of it being heads by then assuming there are infinite possible ways the coin could land therefore it is impossible (due to the high odds) that it would land "heads" inspite of seeing it with your own eyes.

1,352 posted on 02/01/2005 6:22:27 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

... therefore it is impossible (due to the high odds) that it would land "heads" </s>inspite of seeing it with your own eyes.</s> therefore someone had purposely placed it on the ground heads up.


1,353 posted on 02/01/2005 6:23:49 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
Darn!

... therefore it is impossible (due to the high odds) that it would land "heads" inspite of seeing it with your own eyes. therefore someone had purposely placed it on the ground heads up.

1,354 posted on 02/01/2005 6:24:30 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
Let’s say your ‘accidental’ posting to Balrogg was not inferred by anyone to be directed to me… Would this information ever get transcribed and transmitted to it intended receiver?
Maybe you can calculate the probability in a purely ‘natural’ environment… Again, I actually think a formal equation is not necessary.
1,355 posted on 02/01/2005 6:45:04 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: WildTurkey

Talking about high odds, why do you think CBS and Dan Rather would ever apologize? A bit creo of you, eh?


1,356 posted on 02/01/2005 6:48:51 PM PST by bvw
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To: jwalsh07
If I say, "My bad. I made the mistake in believing the word of a Atheist.

I've trained you. :)

1,357 posted on 02/01/2005 6:56:04 PM PST by Torie
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To: balrog666

Sorry. Wrong person!


1,358 posted on 02/01/2005 7:02:34 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Heartlander
Is nature invoking ‘survival’?

Yes. The sequences inhabit an environment where resources are limiting and predators abound. Small differences between the sequences can result in success or failure.

1,359 posted on 02/01/2005 7:03:25 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Heartlander

Mr. B would read it, note that the quote was not his and probably notify me that I probably hit the wrong post in which case I would review, note and then post to you.

Yes, it would get to you.


1,360 posted on 02/01/2005 7:04:51 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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