Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative
comlying >> complying
straigt >> straight
I was following the great Jewish scholars here: Maimonides, et al., are my authorities on this point. I figure they're the "real experts" on the Old Testament. Others are free to consult other sources if they wish.
...stipulating said ensoulment, are we all descendants of Adam, or can souls be laterally transferred?
Yes, but perhaps not literally; and No.
You must be aware human population genetics are incompatible with common ancestry as recent as 6000 years.
If there is common ancestry, it surely dates back farther than 6000 years. But the issue is not common ancestry; it's when the first fully human being was ensouled by God -- which is the sine qua non of man's full humanity.
But now were are doing something here that Alamo-Girl cautioned against: mixing science and philosophy/theology. What I've said above indicates some of the profound differences between the two. But such distinctions tend to get lost on these evolution threads. So maybe we ought to quit while we're ahead?
In the end, the two disciplines are the two legs we stand on.
Depending on which words are emphasized within that last sentence, WT...
If you used that as a pretext for hostility for Christians, your attitude is consistent with Christ's words "you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake" -- yes I saw you were raised a Christian, but I have met athiests who were "raised" Christian and are now openly hostile to Christianity. OTOH if you meant you are opposed to Christians who are spiritually arrogant, instead of humble, you are right in line with St. Paul : Ephesians, "...it is the gift of God, not by works, lest any man should boast" or the writings in the Epistle to the Romans about the Gentiles being grafted in (as opposed to say the Jews) but that the grafting is part of God's plan to draw both Jews and Gentiles to Himself...so Christians shouldn't be "smug".
Cheers!
Full Disclosure: Changing one's mind about posting is not the same as a lie, WT.
Couldn't resist, despite my earlier post of no more till night-time.
(Lunch in my time zone, you see.)
Having done a fair bit of ranting myself, out of frustration, I have to say that I most admire those posters here who manage to consistently ignore the insults and dishonesty and simply argue to the point. I won't name them, lest I leave any deserving individuals out.
But I will note that my opinion of fundamentalist Christians in general has been greatly lowered by my experiences in these threads. More broadly, until a couple of years ago, I tended to discount the differences between social and libertarian conservatives. Now I worry whether the Republican coalition can survive the wave of fundie triumphalism that followed Dubya's re-election. And I'm going to think very hard before I again mark a ballot for a Christian conservative, particularly if there's also a Libertarian running.
I have lived with Hindus and Buddhists over the years. Overseas and in the US. I am now married to a Buddhist. That experience has tempered my "Christianity". I have utmost admiration for humble Christians. My mother, sister, her husband and his family, all humble Christians. Full Disclosure: Changing one's mind about posting is not the same as a lie, WT.
I am not sure exactly what you are referring to.
WT may have expressed it in a harsh manner, but he is pretty much correct in his assertions - at least in these threads. I don't believe that every anti-evolutionist uses these tactics, because some are just simply misinformed and don't know any better.
A prime example of these tactics is quote mining. Darwin's writing style of posing rhetorical questions and then answering them makes him a prime target of this tactic.
Another example are the faulty probability calculations that prove that evolution is a statistical impossibility. Even after these have been debunked, the same posters use them over and over.
An really good example of deception in this very thread is the use of a faulty population growth calculation to disprove an old earth. It was supposed to show that if humans had been around longer than 6,000 years than the number of people on the planet would be in the trillions. Unfortunately her own formula resulted in a population of 19 trillion if a 6,000 year value was used. Even though this and other faults with her approach have been pointed out, she continues to use it as "Evidence". Currently, no other anti-evolutionist has called her on it.
Evolutionists will correct other evolutionists if they post incorrect or shaky evidence. Creationists never really do. In the above example, another creationist posted " I like that! They [evolutionists] are forced to ignore so many things." in response to the population calculation post. Once the calculation and approach had been shown to be faulty, that poster never corrected his "cheerleading".
He was defeated in the next election. Seems he let his 0.01% override the big picture. Particulary how to handle that and a full-time job also.
I had an earlier post that I didn't plan on posting till tonight, since I was at work. Obviously that didn't last. :-)
Cheers!
Hey, nice piece of bigotry there WT.
Who? (joking!)
Thanks, Patrick. The feeling's mutual, of course.
Please go consult a dictionary.
It was a few days ago that I posted that I was frustrated with continually dealing with the repeated lies and thus I started venting my frustration by requesting that they live up to Christian principles. My bad.
Don't require a dictionary. That statement is bigotry. Be a man and admit it. Or better yet, apologize to the overwhelming number of Christians who can be taken at their word.
Better yet, get a dictionary AND read the whole thread.
I thing I remember your handle. Haven't I had a problem believing some of your fake science and false propaganda?
I would thing a Christian would admonish the Christian that lied rather than the person that outed their non-Christian behavior.
But in two of the posts after that, you wrote "thing" when by context it appears you meant to write "think"...
May I humbly suggest that you consult a dictionary, or perhaps check your keyboard?
Cheers!
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