Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative
Sorry, I'm at work. No more posting till evening :-(
Sad Cheers!
(...or happy, depending on how annoying I've been!)
Indeed, the Great Commandment is to love God absolutely. And the second is to love our neighbor unconditionally. Everything - the law, the prophets - "hang" on those two commandments. (Matthew 22)
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[ME]"Where has evolution been pulled from schools?"
[RobRoy]Heh, heh. You think schools operate in a cultural vacuum? My youngest is a Senior in high school. Do you honestly think her friends and she don't chuckle about the things said in "science" class? She likes to point out the "evolution claims" in her school books. Some of them are downright dogmatic in their goofball assumptions and scientific support or lack thereof.
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I think "goofball assumptions" just about covers it.
Thank you so much, Alamo-Girl, for your kind words. "Everything" really does hang on those two commandments.
Perhaps you should go back to God and get your supernatural powers readjusted. They are not working properly.
Smarmy? Jeepers, thanx alot, RWP. No I am not a lawyer. I was just re-asserting a list of assertions offered by a friend, just to show that there's more than one way to look at a problem. Is that "smarmy" of me? You know, if you think I got some point wrong, you could offer your own view.
I would guess he used "smarmy" since your response seemed evasive to the initial issue. You asked me to present you with the "lies" and I did. You danced around so as to offer no progress on the issue.
With regard to that particular challenge, post 904 and 940 were as far as I could take it and stay within the boundaries of credible sources.
I found no credible challenges to remove the theory of evolution from science textbooks, but a number of challenges to the content - including examples which are no longer accepted in the science community.
To whatever extent the presentation of the theory of evolution relies on the fossil record, it is "dogmatic" by definition simply because the lineage is "unprovable" and that is what the term means. However, evidence for evolution which stems from molecular biology does not have that difficulty.
I don't know what was meant exactly by the term "goofball" but I can relate to something like that which I observed on one of the science channels. In that case, the artists depicting the evolution of a dinosaur had attributed a certain color pattern (as I recall, a zebra like coloring) - without producing any evidence or reasoning for it. My reaction was that such an obvious omission would cast doubt on the other unexplained presumptions which were being presented on that same program.
Perhaps the correspondents would prefer you use their jargon, such as "lie!" But it would be out of character for you to make any such personal condemnation.
I guess that it is agreed that RR's post was dogmatic?
There are prophecies also of historical events that where future at the time they where given that have been fulfilled and there are prophecies yet future to be fulfilled.
Some more specific than others.
I was amused by the fact that everything you agreed to, you hedged on; even where it was unnecessary. For example, I agree, every measuring instrument should be recalibrated occasionally, but you aren't going to recalibrate 4.7 billion down to six thousand.
'Smarmy' may have been the wrong word; but in any case my remark was intended to be jocular (with a slight edge). On the other hand, maybe I need to recalibrate the sardonic-meter.
Every comment was well considered to duck her original stated intent.
An unproven or unprovable claim is dogmatic by definition. That does not mean it is false - whether we are speaking of the fossil record or dismissals of the same.
IMHO, the substantive difficulty on evolution threads is credibility. What constitutes proof to one correspondent, may fail as proof to another. That is not a reflection of moral character but of one's worldview.
For instance, an atheist may not accept Scriptural proofs, and a Young Earth Creationist may not accept geological/radiological proofs.
Which brings me back to my first point, hundreds of posts ago, that it serves no useful purpose to engage a theological argument with science or vice versa. It only causes heat, no light at all - because among believers, Truth always trumps facts and among non-believers, facts are supreme.
IMHO, the best progress is made when the game is kept within a defined ballpark - either theology or science.
I've seen those same shows on the Discovery Channel (Walking with Dinosaurs) and there were numerous segments right before commercial breaks where the program explained how they had examined the evidence and come to the conclusions they did.
One segment mentioned color and properly noted that the color schemes used in the program were only educated guesses.
I don't see how this is misleading at all. The dinosaurs and plants in the program had to have some sort color scheme so they just chose some that seemed to make sense. They were very upfront it.
"That's a pretty sweeping statement, WildTurkey. Could you help me narrow it down a little bit? Just give me an example or two, and I'll go chase it (them) down. Then we can compare notes. If there's evil to be found there, why, we can just root it out together." Apparently you feel there is no "evil" out their and the creationists are not spreading lies. Thank you.
Yes, that would be your reaction, A-G, and also mine. But my little nephew, Nicholas -- who is simply besotted with dinosaurs (just as I was, when I was his age) -- will think the "color scheme" is an actual fact. What was mere artistic license enters the stream of supposed reality of a little boy who does not yet have any critical skills. Thus are our youth indoctrinated into the "accepted" and "acceptable" notions of our time....
You know, there is much about Darwinist theory that is based on conjecture. I'd only point out that even what is a very strong conjecture still is not an actual fact. And all our wishing and hoping will not make it so.
Then you will have to retract your "fossil record" statements.
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