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Happy Birthday George Edward Pickett
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Posted on 01/28/2005 8:52:47 AM PST by Valin

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To: Valin

Pickett was quite dismayed at Lee for ordering that charge. After the war he and Longstreet visited Lee and Pickett could barely hide his hostility. As they were leaving Longstreet asked Pickett why he had such an attitude and Picket said:"The old man destroyed my division at Gettysburg!" to which Longstreet replied:"True, but he made you immortal."


21 posted on 01/28/2005 11:09:26 AM PST by Witch-king of Angmar
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To: loreldan

same note... last week... great movie. Went to Gettysburg the next day - never grows tiresome... The diorama is being restored... get in for free now and get a very good, personal interpretation from the NPS employee.


22 posted on 01/28/2005 11:17:39 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: Valin

"High Watermark" Ping!


23 posted on 01/28/2005 11:21:19 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: Blzbba
Agreed on your assessment of Lee/Longstreet, but to suggest that DC was undefended was ludicrous. There was a pretty large-scale network of forts around DC that would've been tough to overrun as easily as you imagined.

If memory serves me correctly, the strength of the Union army was with Meade in the hills at Gettysburg. There were no quality union forces between Lee and the Capitol including those manning the forts...green recruits, etc. Most would probably have run like hell as they did at Bull Run.

24 posted on 01/28/2005 11:22:21 AM PST by kimosabe31
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To: Plymouth Sentinel
My understanding is that Pickett was sought by commanders/ subordinates on that day and was nowhere to be found. It's been suggested that he hid or cowered behind that house that still sits smack in the middle of the open fields his men traversed.

I believe that you are confusing Gettysburg with Five Forks, where when Picketts commanders went looking for him he was nowhere to be found. He had left his headquarters to attend a fish bake hosted by General Rosser. From everything I've read, Pickett was on the field at Gettysburg exactly where he should have been.

25 posted on 01/28/2005 11:31:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: deroberst
Does anybody know how Lincoln and Pickett were first connected?

Pickett's uncle, Andrew Johnston, was a lawyer and politician in Quincy, Illinois. According to the story, Pickett wanted to go to West Point but the local congressman, John T. Stuart, was a political rival of Johnston. A mutual friend of the two men was engaged by Johnston as an intermediary to plead Pickett's case, and the appointment to West Point was obtained. The intermediary was Abraham Lincoln, who is supposed to have taken a liking to Pickett and remained in touch with him during his military career.

How much truth there is to that is open to question. What is true is that Pickett graduated dead last in a West Point class that included George McClellan, Thomas Jackson, Darius Couch, John Gibbon, Jesse Reno, A.P. Hill and over a dozen other generals.

26 posted on 01/28/2005 11:42:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Valin

"GET OVER IT"

Well said Sir.

BTW Georgie Pickett was a perfumed Dandy and a lousy General Officer. Period.


27 posted on 01/28/2005 11:47:17 AM PST by Pompah (The price of greatness is responsibility)
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To: Valin
I always wondered what would have happened with "Pickett's Charge" if his whole division had been with him that day. The Confederates most probably would have still lost the day, but Pickett would have had the 10,000 men of his (very large) division instead of the three-fifths of the division (6,000 men) he had that day. The extra 4,000 men reinforcing the breech in the Union center made by Armistead's brigade might have made things more 'interesting' for another hour...

At that time most Confederate Infantry divisions of the Army of Northern Virginia were composed of 4 brigades (each composed of 4 or 5 regiments), with a few divisions having an "extra" fifth brigade. Pickett's division had five brigades - four from Virginia and one from South Carolina totaling around 10,000 men instead of the normal 7,500-8,000 men in most Confederate Infantry divisions. However two of his brigades (about 4,000 men) were left behind to guard Richmond, Virginia from any Union raids while the Army of Northern Virginia was on its campaign to the north. That gave Pickett a much smaller division of 6,000 men and one unusually composed of all Virginians since his only non-Virginian troops, the South Carolinians were in the Richmond area.


dvwjr

28 posted on 01/28/2005 12:00:24 PM PST by dvwjr
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To: kimosabe31

"Most would probably have run like hell as they did at Bull Run."


Bull Run? Where's that?

Ohhh...you mean the Battle of Manassas Junction!


29 posted on 01/28/2005 12:19:52 PM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: Blzbba
LOL

TSSRA!

30 posted on 01/28/2005 4:57:38 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: Pharmboy; Valin
It just might work this time...

Pickett's Charge
Gettysburg - Day Three


Pickett's Charge - Gettysburg Day 3



dvwjr

31 posted on 01/28/2005 7:09:02 PM PST by dvwjr
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To: Pharmboy

Yea...but Custer was a B*stard!
George Pickett a gentleman!


32 posted on 01/28/2005 7:32:58 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: Valin

How about if we DON'T WANNA GET OVER IT?
Who appointed you WBTS Police?


33 posted on 01/28/2005 7:34:57 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: deroberst

I don't know the whole story, but I do know that Pickett would not tolerate anyone bad-mouthing Lincoln in his presence!


34 posted on 01/28/2005 7:37:03 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: Pompah

Dandy he may have been, but I disagree, regarding his abilities as a General.


BTW, Why would a resident of the "State of Fruits and Nuts" be trying to insult a Southern Officer's memory....?


35 posted on 01/28/2005 7:40:54 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: TexConfederate1861

True enough, but both made poor decisions on the battlefield and neither would have been accepted to Mensa.


36 posted on 01/28/2005 7:53:02 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie because they have to)
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To: Plymouth Sentinel
Quite incorrect. Pickett was exactly where he needed to be for a Corps Commander. He was in a position where he could get the best view of the whole field where the action was taking place. No cowardice in that, as that was a proper tactical spot for the Corps Commander, all his battle orders would've had to have been run by a messenger.

Interestingly enough, the reason for the failure of the "charge" is a farmers fence that the Confederate troops had to climb over. They were under strict orders not to destroy any private property, hence they could not tear the fence down. That being said, the troops had to climb over it which left them stationary and exposed to double canister rounds from Yankee cannon. None can fault the courage of the South that day, and they did manage to make it all the way to the center of the Yankee lines, but by the time they got there, the mortal damage had already been done. Too many troops were lost climbing the fence to successfully carry the center of the Union line. The fence would be called the Murphy's Law of that battle. For had Lee succeeded in breaking the Union center, he would've carried the battle and won the South's bid for independence.

37 posted on 01/28/2005 8:26:41 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Pompah

You know more about that than I do. OTOH Longstreet seemed to think a lot of him.


38 posted on 01/28/2005 9:24:24 PM PST by Valin (Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield)
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To: TexConfederate1861

How about if we DON'T WANNA GET OVER IT?


Then enjoy living in the past, the rest of us are busy getting on with the future.


39 posted on 01/28/2005 9:26:34 PM PST by Valin (Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield)
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To: TexConfederate1861

Hey sport,I'm not trying to insult anyone, Southern Gentleman or otherwise.
FYI I was born in Smith County Texas (Tyler) IN 1936 and come from a long,long line of Confederate supporters from both Texas and Mississippi,and the 15th Alabama.

The fact is that Virginia's George Edward Pickett was a fine dashing figure with his perfumed locks and his dramatic
flare for the spotlight. But a a leader of men he had a lot of shortcommings.
When his Virginia Division made their charge at the Union center on the third bloody day at Gettysburg little Georgie was in the rear weeping.
I call that an ineffectual leadership. Southern Gentleman or not.
And you can take your crack about the "Land of Fruits and Nuts" and stick it where the sun don't shine.

The Eyes of Texas are upon you clown.


40 posted on 01/28/2005 9:53:46 PM PST by Pompah (The price of greatness is responsibility)
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