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To: Stone Mountain
Please check out post 537 - which of these do you consider a true atheist?

Only what you describe as a "strong" atheist. That's a true atheist. One who believes absolutely there is no god. I meet very few people like that.

I think that I concur with you. We just differ in terminology.

I think you can divide the agnostic into hard and soft. The "soft" one thinks there is no God (or at least no current evidence), but is open to the possibility. The "hard" one thinks there is no God and no way to prove it and no way to find out. Both leave the door open at least a little.

To a true atheist there is no difference between God, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Great Pumpkin, or any other fantasy or "fiction." So, when an "atheist" IS concerned about God, for example an actively anti-Christian person (Michael Newdow comes to mind), then you know something else is going on. They are probably not atheists. They may very well be anti-theists.

An anti-theist and an atheist are not the same. The anti-theist is, as the name implies, against god. It isn’t enough for the anti-theist to leave people alone with their belief or their “fiction.” The anti-theist seeks to fight and stop the “theists.” This fight is aimed at Christ and Christians the vast majority of the time.

Peace,
jw

732 posted on 01/27/2005 5:35:18 PM PST by JWinNC (www.webgent.com)
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To: JWinNC
I think you can divide the agnostic into hard and soft. The "soft" one thinks there is no God (or at least no current evidence), but is open to the possibility. The "hard" one thinks there is no God and no way to prove it and no way to find out. Both leave the door open at least a little.

A "Soft atheist", also called "Weak Atheist". I'm not fond of either term, preferring "Agnostic" instead. But there isn't a nickels worth of difference between them. As an Agnostic, I don't believe that I can say for certain that there is a god or gods or not. Further, If I were to assume that there were a god (or gods), I have no reason to believe that it, being a supreme being, needs a thing from me in terms of worship or whatever. I can't see any reason to satisfy its needs as I don't know any of the properties of the supreme being and what it desires, if it even exits in the first place. Hey, if it made everything around me and me as well, it can make whatever it needs to satisfy itself. With all that capability and production capacity, its hard to believe it to so insecure as to require mere worship from mere humans. Oy Vey!

So, until a supreme being reveals itself and explains its need for human comfort, I'll worry about what is necessary to carve out an honorable, meaningful, fulfilling life on terms that I, in the spirit of my human nature, desire.

My mate, my friends, my dog, good food, red wine, good books, good health, exercise (swimming and cycling), some scuba diving, a few well deserved atta boy's at work, a modest but well maintained house, good music, the freedom to live as I like (as a direct result of my extremely fortunate circumstance of having been born in the best country on the planet)....and oh yes, a speedy internet connection. Wow, to marvel at the works of others, architcture, inventions, art, music, ideas.... That's about all I need to need to be happy and healthy. At some point, hopefully long and far into the future, I'll die.

738 posted on 01/27/2005 6:22:12 PM PST by Diverdogz
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