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Scientists serious about 'electricity sickness' claims
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | January 24, 2005 | by Nic Fleming, Health Correspondent

Posted on 01/23/2005 7:05:01 PM PST by aculeus

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To: clee1
"It has been know for over a century that high-power RF transmissions can have a harmful effect on humans. Why should the theory that lower power electromagnetic radiation, used more frequently and in closer contact to the brain, could also be dangerous come as any surprise?"

The harm from high power is due to heat, as in burning. Low power is simply the applicaiton of something less than warm.

21 posted on 01/23/2005 7:24:04 PM PST by spunkets
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To: aculeus

You all have reached the correct answer but just to add a touch of credibility: I'm an electrical engineer. My "specialty" is bulk power distribution.

The EMF propeller-beanies have been around for a long time and are nuts. I won't rule out some 2+ standard deviation anomoly but save that, there is NOTHING to this nonsense.


22 posted on 01/23/2005 7:24:39 PM PST by Grant Ellis
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To: BipolarBob
if you are/were a como type you would know what i am talking a bout
23 posted on 01/23/2005 7:24:58 PM PST by camas
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To: clee1

I remember as a youngster, a cop friend demonstrated his radar gun to us. Putting your hand 3 feet in front of the emitter would result in a warm, tingly feeling on your skin...

Holy crap! What did he do for an encore, stick his head in a microwave?


24 posted on 01/23/2005 7:25:17 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: clee1
I can easily believe that long-term exposure to EM emissions, even on low power, can be damaging to your health.

I'm sure the damage depends on a few factors. Most "stuff" has a threshold, below which there is no harm. Arsenic is necessary for life, but in large doses, is poison. Ionizing radiation is part of our background environment, but heavy doses of gamma, X-ray, or even microwave and RF are, as you have noted, harmful.

The technical matter is to find that threshold, which is the matter of producing evidence to show the harm caused by low doses. So far, no evidence. Hence the study to see if there is any evidence. This has been studied before. It's a huge issue with 50-60 Hz power transmission lines, all that buzzing and crackling and stuff.

25 posted on 01/23/2005 7:27:40 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: camas
if you are/were a como type you would know what i am talking a bout

Do como types use stuned beebers?

26 posted on 01/23/2005 7:28:12 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: clee1

I have spent a few times in my life living without electricity, and the difference is noticeable. Subtle, but noticeable. Affects thought and mood for sure - probably because of its effect on the brain. Maybe one of the reasons people really like to go camping.

I'm not talking about the difference in conveniences or refrigerators.

I like not having electricity surrounding me, but it's too hard if you need to do things in life.


27 posted on 01/23/2005 7:28:38 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes are what make the world go round.)
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To: aculeus

Oh yeah, I want in on the class action lawsuit that's sure to be filed in a few months!


28 posted on 01/23/2005 7:28:52 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: camas

It sounds like if I are/were a como type I would be dead.


29 posted on 01/23/2005 7:29:44 PM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: durasell

Nope, no encores.....

He was making the point to us youngsters, not to get too close to the business end of a radar gun. At the time, a few Little Leage teams/associations were starting to get the same radar devices for use on the ball field.

This would have been in the mid-70's. I don't know how well that technology has progressed since.

I knew a guy in school about 15 years ago that had been a Navy F-14 avionics tech. He told us that you didn't want to be anywhere NEAR a Tomcat with it's avionics radiating.


30 posted on 01/23/2005 7:30:21 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: camas

Church of S. Vittore

The Romanesque bell tower, with angular pilaster strips and mullioned windows with two lights, is among the oldest of the Como type (the 11th century), whereas its present nave dates back to the fifth century.

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31 posted on 01/23/2005 7:32:16 PM PST by ScottFromSpokane (http://drunkengop.blogspot.com/)
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To: Cboldt
So far, no evidence. Hence the study to see if there is any evidence.

Roger that....

I'm just saying that from what I know about high-power EM effects, I am unwilling to state that the theory that long-term low-power EM emitters cause physiological harm is bunk.

32 posted on 01/23/2005 7:33:10 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: clee1

As for myself, I don't want to be any near a device that's radiating any kind of significant energy. It may not kill you 100% for sure, but why take the chance?

And yes, I know we're exposed to varying levels of radiation on a daily basis, such as cross country flights, the dentist and typing at a keyboard...


33 posted on 01/23/2005 7:35:42 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: little jeremiah

Oh, I'm not knocking EM emitters either.

I am a Ham, so I use the RF spectrum at varying power levels for varying periods. I use a cell phone as much as I please, etc. etc.

I'm jusrt saying that I won't reject the theory out-of-hand unless I see some contradictory studies.


34 posted on 01/23/2005 7:36:03 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: clee1
"I personally have gotten minor RF burns from being too close to an antenna pumping out 1500 watts. I can easily believe that long-term exposure to EM emissions, even on low power, can be damaging to your health."

Consider the effect of getting to close to a 100W light bulb. What's the long term effects of having your room lit up so you can see?

35 posted on 01/23/2005 7:36:20 PM PST by spunkets
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To: aculeus

Thurber's grandmother was right! She went around checking all of the light bilbs to make sure they were screwed in tightly, and suffered from "the horrible suspicion that electricity was dripping invisibly all over the house."


36 posted on 01/23/2005 7:37:55 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: aculeus
Oh no. What about Zotterella? ...
37 posted on 01/23/2005 7:38:51 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: durasell

So the question then becomes: does long-term exposure to low power devices have a cumulative effect?

I'd like to see some peer-reviewed research.


38 posted on 01/23/2005 7:39:05 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
light bilbs? Sorry, Clouseau-ian slip there. Make that "light bulbs".
39 posted on 01/23/2005 7:39:13 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: FoxInSocks
Perry Como died in 2001, a week before his 89th birthday.

And he not only had a cell phone, but had eaten carrots.

40 posted on 01/23/2005 7:40:17 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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