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To: West Coast Conservative
It would be *nice* if one of these ceremonies gave some real praise and recognition to who it was that fought and died to liberate those camps.

It would also be *nice* if these ceremonies openly acknowledged that gypsies, Poles, Catholics, homosexuals, astrologers and any other group Hitler didn't like were also killed in the holocaust. Somehow those numbers are never mentioned.

18 posted on 01/22/2005 5:00:31 PM PST by An American In Dairyland
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To: An American In Dairyland
"It would also be *nice* if these ceremonies openly acknowledged that gypsies, Poles....."

Exactly! Some of my non-Jewish Polish relatives were killed in the holocaust.

34 posted on 01/22/2005 5:24:44 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: An American In Dairyland
Let's see you left off your list the following :

Serbian Orthodox Christians by the thousands and their Patriarch, Russian P.O.W.s, Orthodox Christans from all Eastern European countries and their clergy, Lutherans and their clergy from Germany, Lutherans from Hungary, Baptists from Germany and just about ANY Christians who dared speak out or act contrary to hitler's goals.

Take a look when you get a chance at the web site for the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. I recommend it highly.

One thing that so many folks miss when discussing the murder of millions by hitler and his supporters: HITLER WANTED TO TOTALLY ELIMINATE THE JEWS AS A PEOPLE AND A RELIGION. THIS WAS THE ONLY ORGANIZED GROUP FOR WHICH HE HAD SUCH PLANS.

He wanted the slavs to be SLAVES. The gypsies were to be eliminated but they were not of one single religion like the Jews.

And, that my friend, is why.... when people start to write or talk about the holocaust, THEY ALWAYS MENTION THE TERROR OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE JEWS IN SUCH A FORCEFUL WAY!!

Entire families, generations destoyed in such cruel ways. Yes, the Jews deserve to be mentioned FIRST and foremost when we remember the holocaust. That mention does not lessen the value of the sacrifice of all of hitler's victims.

NEVER FORGET!!

40 posted on 01/22/2005 5:35:56 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: An American In Dairyland

It would also be *nice* if these ceremonies openly acknowledged that gypsies, Poles, Catholics, homosexuals, astrologers and any other group Hitler didn't like were also killed in the holocaust. Somehow those numbers are never mentioned.

I was gonna post the same idea, but you already did.

The tens of millions of Christians killed (The Russian alone lost 20+ millions) will never be remembered and memorialized until a term is created that identifies them as victims of WWII. Until that time, Christians will continue in their ibernation.


60 posted on 01/22/2005 7:20:28 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (How am I doing?)
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To: An American In Dairyland
It would also be *nice* if these ceremonies openly acknowledged that gypsies, Poles, Catholics, homosexuals, astrologers and any other group Hitler didn't like were also killed in the holocaust. Somehow those numbers are never mentioned.

6 Million jews died. 7 million other nationalities. Of course the other people were mixed. The Jews were the only single race, group? that suffered 6 million. However, I agree with you, the other 7 million should be mentioned and brought to peoples attention.

70 posted on 01/22/2005 10:35:38 PM PST by calex59
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To: An American In Dairyland
It would also be *nice* if these ceremonies openly acknowledged that gypsies, Poles, Catholics, homosexuals, astrologers and any other group Hitler didn't like were also killed in the holocaust. Somehow those numbers are never mentioned.
1. I mention the other groups.
2. The other groups need better PR on this.
3. Homosexuals were both targets and perpetrators. The Nazi party was full of Homosexuals. The Nazis liked butch homosexuals. They hated "fems".
71 posted on 01/23/2005 12:03:27 AM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: An American In Dairyland; Dark Skies

Then you aren't looking for the praise and gratitude of jews to those who liberated the few that were left from the camps. Some wept at their feet, others were terrified to leave the allies, fearing the Nazis would be back. If you visit the Holocaust museum, there are many many examples of Jews thanking their liberators.

Don't blame Hitler's Jewish victims because some sources neglect to mention his other victims. I'm sure if the dead could speak they would not allow Hitler's other victims to be forgotten. And they ARE mentioned in almost every serious discussion of Hitler's crimes. Maybe you are not looking in the right place.

I get so sick of people blaming dead jews because some people feel his other victims didn't get enough "air time". I am sure the dead jews, if they had a choice, would gladly trade this dubious distinction for their lives and the lives of their poor children.


86 posted on 01/23/2005 10:51:08 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal-Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: An American In Dairyland

The word "holocaust" or "shoah" specifically pertains to the extermination of the 6 mln Jews under Hitler's "Final Solution" of the Jewish issue. The full name is the Holocaust (or Catastrophe) of the European Jewry. Nobody, least the Jews, deny the tragedy of other people. As to the recognition, we feel eternal gratitude for the people who liberated the death camps or hid and saved us during the war. The Yad-Va-Shem Museum in Jerusalem is the best proof of that. You don't have to sound so bitter about it.


116 posted on 01/24/2005 10:17:24 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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