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To: Alamo-Girl
The problem with all forms of "random" structures - whether Brownian, Chaitin's Omega, etc. - is that they are at root the effect of a prior cause ...

This has not been demonstrated. In QM, such a demonstration would contradict some experiments. Were such a cause known (or in QM, known to exist), there would be measurable consequences. How would one go about showing the existence of a "cause" that mimicked "randomness"?

(I'm not sure that Chaitin's Omega is "randomly generated" in common usage. It is very complex, as are randomly generated strings.)

665 posted on 01/25/2005 8:12:33 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Thank you so much for your reply!

I said: The problem with all forms of "random" structures - whether Brownian, Chaitin's Omega, etc. - is that they are at root the effect of a prior cause ...

You replied: This has not been demonstrated. In QM, such a demonstration would contradict some experiments.

No demonstration should be necessary because the beginning of space/time has already been strongly evidenced. Nothing in quantum mechanics exists outside of space/time. Fields are defined as existing at all points in space/time. No space/time, no fields. No fields, no quantum mechanics. It is a casual relationship per se.

Were such a cause known (or in QM, known to exist), there would be measurable consequences.

Indeed, if one knew all of the initial conditions it would be possible to predict with certainty, even as a non-alien corporeal existent within the hypercube of spacetime. Without that knowledge, one would have to have an extra temporal dimensional perspective into the future or be outside the hypercube, i.e. God’s perspective – to predict the future with certainty.

How would one go about showing the existence of a "cause" that mimicked "randomness"?

Evidence points to the first cause not being ”random” - i.e. the utterly unreasonable fine tuning of physical constants, physical laws and asymmetry between matter and anti-matter at the beginning of space/time in this universe without which there would be no life, and in many cases, no universe at all.

To declare that first cause of this particular universe was random would require infinity past in multi-verse models (the plentitude argument, anything that can happen, did). There is no modern (post 1960) cosmological model to support an infinite past. The multi-verse, ekpyrotic, cyclic, imaginary time models only move the goalpost to prior cause - none of them support infinity past.

667 posted on 01/26/2005 8:01:18 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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