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To: Alacarte
I'm not familiar with this 'Crick.'

And you're the science expert?
Francis Crick
Co-Discoverer of DNA

You made me look up a new word. I wouldn't call that intelligent design... Where is the intelligence? Life evolved elsewhere, then was transferred to earth... no ID required...

Panspermia Info

You are correct...You really do need to look more deeply into what ID really is studying. You should save the facetiousness, IMO.

But it is very likely, and very much within the realm of sciecne.

So...aliens planted advanced life on this planet...a scientific possibility, which some of us backward-ass people decided to call God. Tell me how this makes ID not scientifically possible.

Why not? At least there is a possibility? The universe is incomprehensibly huge. Chances are there is other life out there right now dreaming about us.

lol. Chances are there is life far more advanced than the tiny human brain...even ...Godlike. It's a possibility. So science should not write either off.

What signalled the end of the dark ages? The enlightenment. What was the most important element of the enlightenment? Secularism, when we told religion to shut up and sit down. After that, science took off. During the dark ages when religion was the absolute authority, we barely progress at all for 1500 years. Just look at the islamic world. When the christian world had our enlightenment, the islamic world was at least as advanced as us. Since the enlightenment, we've rocketed ahead of them tenfold. Why? Secularism of course, no religion to hold back progress.

That would be your opinion. Try not to hold back next time. LOL... (ps - you could not be more mistaken)

380 posted on 01/19/2005 10:11:11 PM PST by sayfer bullets
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To: sayfer bullets

"And you're the science expert?"

I never called myself a science expert! I'm the only person on these boards who does not pretend to know so much about molecular biology to debate the mecahnisms. I trust what the people who devote their lives to the subject say, and they say evolution is true, no doubts... period.

So what's your point about Crick?

"Panspermia Info"

I already looked it up, on science websites thanks...

"You really do need to look more deeply into what ID really is studying."

Why? I have no personal interest, and according to the scientific community, it's not science. The only time science is even mentioned in ID, it's EVOLUTIONARY science. Like when they talk about irreducible complexity, ALL the science in that argument is taken directly from research by actual molecular biologists. Why is ID talking about evolution? I thought it was its own theory... Really it is not an argument for an alternative to evolution, it is simply an argumetn against evolution. So how does disproving one theory prove another, completely unrelated theory? If I can prove the theory of flight wrong, does that mean I get to make up my own arbitrary explanation, no matter how unscientific and everyone will accept it? Or would the scientific community just start looking for the real explanation...

"So...aliens planted advanced life on this planet...a scientific possibility, which some of us backward-ass people decided to call God. Tell me how this makes ID not scientifically possible. "

You serious? Alien life would have evolved within the natural world just like we did, but on another planet. This is absolutely 100% within the realm of science. In all likelihood life was NOT intentionally placed here by a sentient race. And if it were, there is no possible way they could have predicted that life would evolve to man, so in that case, your designer would care nothing for us, since to them we are simply one of the many products of earths eco-systems. What could have happened, is a comet hit earth carrying protein chains, or simple organisms to start life. Regardless, there is no 'designer' in this scenario, even if intelligent beings left life here long ago, there was no 'design.'

"Tell me how this makes ID not scientifically possible."

It doesn't since there is no way to prove a supernatural hypothesis like a designer. Why on earth would we just stop biology research, throw our hands in the air, and say god did it? Should we do that with all science, or just molecular biology? Do we continue with genetics research? Maybe germ theory is wrong too, maybe the priests from the 12th century were right, we get sick cause we pissed god off. Maybe we should shut-down the pharm industry since killing infections are thwarting the wrath of god. Where do we stop with supplanting science with supernatural explanations?

"lol. Chances are there is life far more advanced than the tiny human brain...even ...Godlike. It's a possibility. So science should not write either off."

It is very possible there are highly intelligent alien beings, but that is scientifically viable. What does that have to do with the supernatural idea that the universe, and life on earth, was 'designed?' There is zero proof for ID.

If ID really were an alternative to evolution, it would have it's own data, make it's own predictions and explanations for life. But take away the stuff in ID that directly talks abotu evolution (for some reason) and what is left? Nothing... except magic. THat is why it is not science, it is not even a good attack on evolution.


431 posted on 01/20/2005 11:40:04 AM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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