Posted on 01/18/2005 5:57:53 PM PST by wagglebee
I spent half my life in the south.
From a previous thread - my words;
I have been fighting the good fight against Neoconfederates for a decade. Whenever I think about leaving the oppression of taxation and legislation which is NJ to return to the beauty and conservative governance of the south, I remember that the stain of Neoconfedercy. I admire my southern countrymen and women for many things. I am grateful for much of what they have done and continue to do for this nation. I admire much in them that is graceful, honest, polite, hard working, family-oriented, and patriotic.
But this absolute failure to see the reality of a past that is not their fault or their burden, which they nonetheless feel compeled to advance, saddens and confuses me.
Were it not for this willful blindness I would cosider it not a boast to call them the greatest America has to offer in a land of beauty and liberty. More is the pity. My love-hate with the south goes on.
You are a bigger fool than I thought. Why? Because you would alienate those who hold you in high reagrd on most things over a war lost by those who, in balance, when all things are considered including Northern crimes and sins, fought for a two reprehensible goals - the destruction of the United States and the perpetuation of Chattle slavery.
Your self-righteous proclimations of "flying the hammer and sickle" willfully ignores the contributions of thousands of "Yankees" at Tarwa, Bastone, and the depths of the North sea. Without United States victory in 1865, the historical trophies you summon for your argument (ie; defeat of the Soviets) would never have occuried.
More cognitive dissonance on the part of Neoconfederates.
Lee was the greatest general of the war...er...but...U.S. troops and genrals sucked!
Ahem...
Which is it? How did the greatest general (and he was good!) lose to such incompetants?
The central illogical point upon which the whole Lost cause myth rests.
"The Constitutional Debates"
" The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions"
"A Constitutional History of Secession"
These are good reads, but they can get long winded at times. However if you wish to get educated as to the Founders' Original Intent, then you'll read them.
I did! Thanks to Bill Clinton's chipping away at my enumerated rights under the Constitution.
Answer this, then I will answer you.
How are Geroge Washington, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, etc..., great Americans when they "engaged in treasonous rebellion" against the British Crown?
Please. The party of 'let them root hog or die'? That is Lincoln's legacy, not his party. The two are separate.
At least you are consistent. you have the courage of your convictions which is more than I can say of some of your cohorts.
If you are so well-conncected to the Almighty, as to claim that I am ignorant of His designs, then you may conjure him to appear in front of me, to strike me with thunderbolts, or otherwise bludgeon me with your risible claims. I await the demonstration of your awesome power.
Wrong answer. you told ME that Grant was roasting in hell. I have no such intimate knowledge. it is YOU who claimed to have it.
You been out listening to too much Bruce Springsteen again. Please refer to the titles in my previous post.
Gotta go do some stuff - but will check back later for what you have on this.
It's a good question; nay an excellent question!
Get ready for a gazillion snippets that prove a pre-ordained point by these people. To them the founders were patriots and the Southerners were traitors just because they recognized that the central gov't had violated the contract established by the founders. All of the snippets will be about some sort of constitutional this or that. Never mind that an entire region of the coutry was being manipulated and drained of its wealth to fund Northern despotism.
Thanks for showing back up. After I get back for getting some groceries, I look forward to seeing your limp noodle posts.
You take yourself much too seriously. Open a beer and pet your dog or cat.
2. Oppose any plan to offer amnesty to illegals.
3. Support strictly regulated guest worker program, similar to the bracero program we had in the 1940s and 1950s. That way, the guys work for a few years, send the money home to their families and then leave.
4. Like John Calhoun and George Wallace (and unlike those clowns Pat the Ultramontanist and Sam Francis) I support free trade with all nations. I am VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED, however to a. trade with countries that refuse to allow similar openness to their respective national markets. and b. trade in goods related to national security that may benefit potential adversaries.
Again, why have all the Southrons (as opposed to Southern Gentleman like Lee) embrace 19th Century Yankee economics that only served to retard development in the south. It is no coincidence that the rise of open markets worldwide after WWII has been in tandem with the development of the South from a depressed economic backwater to one of the most dynamic economic regions of the USA.
If Lee had possessed the same logistical/industrial attributes that the Yankees had, Grant would be an asterisk.
Not only that, but the Confederate government was quite eager to enlist the aid of foreigners, primarily the British and French, to make war on their fellow Americans. The differences between the most diverse of 1860 Americans, say New Englanders and South Carolinians, pale before the differences between Americans and Europeans. Of all the errors of the Confederacy, this willingness to reintroduce European interference into North America is one of the most indefensible
Done.
Sure, and if frogs ate mud and had wings and a body temperature of 300 degrees then they could fly and poop bricks at the same time. Long and short of it is that they can't and Lee lost. To a confused alcoholic. Embarassed, huh?
No, the Party of Lincoln.
And do some research on the 'root hog or die'. You've got it wrong. Again.
Good Lord!
I have been fighting Neoconfederates for over a decade and I have never seen that argument. Excellent! Bravo!
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