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To: uncbob

Cause the Pope interprets things as he sees them in his belief system which is based on the New testament

Every time some world wide situation occurs all the bible types are predicting the apocalypse

Those existing in Pauls time etc fully expected it back then
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I was looking for a post, and ran across yours. The following may be of interest to all here.

The Revelation by John told Jesus' followers that it was not the 'end of the [physical] world', but the 'end of the age', the end of the Old Covenant, the end of the world AS THEY KNEW IT. Jesus said He had made all things New. This was the New Heaven and Earth. The Jews knew 'heaven and earth' as the temple and the city, which Jesus DID COME to destroy in 70 AD. Do a search at preteristarchive.co for 'heaven and earth'. The New Heaven and Earth was the New Covenant and the New Jerusalem. See also the Jewsish Wars at preteristarchive.com. There were visible signs of His coming: a comet that hung like a sword over the city for over a year, the heavy doors of the temple swung open of themselves as voices said Let us depart from this place (the glory had left it), heavenly chariots and soldiers were seen fighting in the heavens and in the streets. [ See Hebrews 12:26 and Hebrews 8:13. ] He gave them 40 extra years 'to repent of their sin but they would not'; hence He unfortunately was forced to destroy them and their city, to make way for the new 'Heaven and Earth', the one that will never be destroyed. The Christians saw the Roman armies surrounding the city and they escaped on the eve of the destruction. They had previously sold all their earthly goods because they knew the Revelation was not for some time off in the future like Daniel's vision was, but NOW [as in right THEN]:

'....It is terribly important that the interpreter of Revelation begin at the first verses of the book and let them lead him to the proper interpretive approach. The truth of the matter is: John specifically states that the prophecies of Revelation would begin coming to pass within a very short period of time. He dogmatically states that the events of Revelation were "shortly to take place "and that "the time is near." And as if to insure that we not miss the point which many commentators have! he emphasized this truth in a variety of ways. Let us briefly note his contemporary expectation.

First, we should note that he carefully varies his manner of expression, asif to avoid any potential confusion as to his meaning. A brief survey of the three leading terms he employs will be helpful in ascertaining his meaning.

The first of these terms to appear in Revelation is the Greek word tachos, translated "shortly." John is explaining the purpo\se of his writing in Revelation 1:1, which reads: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly [tachos] take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John." The Arndt-Gingrich Greek lexicon lists the following meanings under the tachos entry: "speed," "at once," "without delay," "soon," "in a short time," "shortly."

If you look up Revelation 1:1 in any modern translation you will find that the idea clearly exhibited is that of the very near occurrence of the events of Revelation. This term also occurs in Revelation 2:16; 3:11; and 22:6, 7, 12, 20. Even a cursory reading of these verses unavoidably leads to the conclusion that John expected these things to happen "shortly" or "soon."

Another term John uses is eggus, which means "near" (Rev. 1:3;22:10). In Revelation 1:3 we read: "Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heeds the things which are written in it; for the time is near (eggus)." When used of spatial relationships it means: "near," "close to," "close by." This term literally means "at hand." According to Arndt-Gingrich, when used of temporal relationships it signifies: "near," "soon." Its import in our context is clearly that of temporal nearness. The events bracketed by these statements were expected, by the apostle John, to begin taking place at any moment. They were near!...'

Read the rest here:

THE BEAST OF REVELATION IDENTIFIED By Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. http://www.iei.net/~doghouse/beast_id.htm

I gather full preterists believe 'that is all she wrote', and they may be right. My little pea brain is still working through a few things such as Rev. 20:7-10 as I stated earlier.


224 posted on 01/15/2005 8:19:28 AM PST by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: Ethan_Allen

My own personal opion is John had several bad dreams

Don't know what they ate before they went to bed in those days or just what deeply believing people can convince themselves of


230 posted on 01/15/2005 11:21:04 AM PST by uncbob
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