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To: Romulus
"Freeing people from brutal tyranny is what Christ is all about"

These are just a few of the guys who would heartily agree with that.

From primary sources:

William Livingston

John Adams

Samuel Davies

144 posted on 01/14/2005 8:14:56 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Today's DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Matchett-PI
Sorry; you don't seem to get it. Christianity is not a political project. The Church exists to save souls, not to make the world a pleasant place.

all the Mischiefs, beyond Expression, with which Popery is Pregnant--to keep from the cruel Hands of Barbarians and Papists your Wives, your Children, your Parents, your Friends--to secure the Liberties conveyed to you

Here is a nice example of religious appeals to serve a secular project. That Mr. Davies had a genuine horror of popery I have no doubt. But it’s telling that in extolling the “blessings of liberty” he makes it quite clear that he means British Liberty – from which, as you may know, Catholics at the time were constitutionally disqualified by the Penal Laws.

But of course, British Liberty is not the point at all when one speaks of freedom in Christ. Jesus is not a means to the Greater Good of British Liberty, American Liberty, or any man-made order. It’s Jesus himself who is the end of man, and it’s in his sovereign kingship that the only enduring freedom is to be found. We are not speaking here of freedom of conscience or free markets or freedom of the press. We are talking about theosis: freedom from death, heirship in the Kingdom of God, a share in the very life of God.

177 posted on 01/14/2005 10:02:05 AM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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To: Matchett-PI

I do think the Livingston piece is admirable however. It's timely too, and I'd invite you to post it on a thread of its own, but for fear of seeing you banned as disloyal.


178 posted on 01/14/2005 10:04:28 AM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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