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Fetal Psychology
Psychology Today ^ | 1-5-05 | Janet L. Hopson

Posted on 01/11/2005 12:29:05 PM PST by beavus

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"Fetal research only changes the abortion debate for people who think that life starts at some magical point,"

Although not properly elaborated upon here, this statement is the crux of the fallacious thinking on the part of many who support anti-abortion legislation. It involves their denial of the fact of space-time continuity.

The simple fact is that there is no point of meaningful transition from non-human-being to human being. The process of conception involves millions of individually similar and insignificant chemical events occuring serially and in parallel. On some time scale, the process appears quite smooth and gradual. Life can be said to exist at specific time points, but it does not start at any point.

So, if anyone askes "When does life start?", the answer is simply, "It doesn't."

In short, there is no poof.

1 posted on 01/11/2005 12:29:07 PM PST by beavus
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To: beavus

Jeeze, those rotten belligerent activists continually coming to the aid of the unborn


2 posted on 01/11/2005 12:33:03 PM PST by fml
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How dare you post this? You defy the democrat party's rigid position that its vast abortion industry in only cleansing wombs of non-viable tissue.


3 posted on 01/11/2005 12:34:00 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: beavus; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...

Life at 8 weeks.

Simply miraculous!

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


4 posted on 01/11/2005 12:36:13 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback

Pro-life ping!


5 posted on 01/11/2005 12:36:50 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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Jeeze, those rotten belligerent activists continually coming to the aid of the unborn

Activism based upon a fallacy can be only accidentally moral. No one wants to be both belligerent and wrong. I'm only trying to help.

6 posted on 01/11/2005 12:37:47 PM PST by beavus
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This would certainly justify those who want to keep a fetus away from second hand smoke.


7 posted on 01/11/2005 12:39:26 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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You defy the democrat party's rigid position that its vast abortion industry in only cleansing wombs of non-viable tissue.

I could get into the fallacious thinking of the pro-choice activists, but for obvious reasons, it is more interesting on this forum to reveal the problems with the pro-life view.

8 posted on 01/11/2005 12:40:19 PM PST by beavus
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So, if anyone askes "When does life start?", the answer is simply, "It doesn't."

Well, the case is now made for euthanasia....

9 posted on 01/11/2005 12:40:23 PM PST by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Basketball! Win CCS!)
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This would certainly justify those who want to keep a fetus away from second hand smoke.

If nothing else, keeping a fetus away from second hand smoke shows an active consideration for risk minimization and a strong concern for the health of the fetus. This is true even if smoke has no effect on fetuses.

10 posted on 01/11/2005 12:43:44 PM PST by beavus
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After the initial pregnancy, a woman's uterus is bigger and the umbilical cord longer, allowing more freedom of movement. "Second and subsequent children may develop more motor experience in utero and so may become more active infants," DiPietro speculates.

My second daughter managed to tie a true knot in the cord, not to mention wrapping it three times around her neck.

11 posted on 01/11/2005 12:44:50 PM PST by Restorer
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ERNIE: So, if anyone askes "When does life start?", the answer is simply, "It doesn't."

BERT: Well, the case is now made for euthanasia....

I don't follow. How do you mean?

12 posted on 01/11/2005 12:46:25 PM PST by beavus
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Life doesn't start; ergo, no life; ergo, nothing to end.


13 posted on 01/11/2005 12:51:49 PM PST by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Basketball! Win CCS!)
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Life doesn't start; ergo, no life; ergo, nothing to end.

That is precisely the fallacy I'm exposing here. Let me ask you, on the electromagnetic spectrum, where does "red" begin? It doesn't, because red falls along a continuum of electromagnetic wavelengths. Does that mean that there is no red? Of course not.

You (and the many others who fall for this fallacy) have not incorporated into your thinking the concept of continua.

Continua are everywhere in our everyday experience, especially in physics and biology. And yet, this fact is denied by statements such as yours.

So, individual human life does exist, but it does not start. That is the nature of the space-time continuum.

14 posted on 01/11/2005 12:57:27 PM PST by beavus
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So, individual human life does exist, but it does not start

Sounds like my car.

15 posted on 01/11/2005 12:59:05 PM PST by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Basketball! Win CCS!)
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Well, Dr. Singer's case for post-natal abortion is hereby proved every bit as logical as those who promote pre-natal abortion.

Which is to say, not much.


16 posted on 01/11/2005 1:00:26 PM PST by Restorer
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So, individual human life does exist, but it does not start

Sounds like my car.

The car didn't stop, either....

17 posted on 01/11/2005 1:00:54 PM PST by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Basketball! Win CCS!)
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Sounds like my car.

Uh, yeah, kinda. LOL!

18 posted on 01/11/2005 1:01:16 PM PST by beavus
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Well, Dr. Singer's case for post-natal abortion is hereby proved every bit as logical as those who promote pre-natal abortion.

Well, partruition is dramatic, but it probably has no bearing on the issue of a human's rights, unless the human we are talking about is the mother.

19 posted on 01/11/2005 1:03:29 PM PST by beavus
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Things can behave and not be alive. Right-to-lifers may say that this research proves that a fetus is alive, but it does not. It cannot.

HUH??? I've never seen anything "behave" without its being alive. How could it?

20 posted on 01/11/2005 1:04:35 PM PST by madprof98
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