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Israeli Women in Fatigues
NRO ^ | January 11, 2005 | Mackubin Thomas Owens

Posted on 01/11/2005 6:11:00 AM PST by neverdem

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Israeli Women in Fatigues
Learning from experience.

There's nobody quite like Elaine Donnelly. For many years, she has led the fight to resist the political correctness that constantly threatens to engulf the uniformed military and destroy its integrity. In her NRO piece of Jan 7, "The Army's Gender War," she improved on my earlier NR article on the same topic: "GI Janes, By Stealth." How could she not? Although I have been writing on the topic of women in combat for at least a decade, it was her research that formed the foundation of that piece.

It turns out that my article generated a large number of e-mails. Most were positive, but a couple of writers not so favorably disposed to my argument suggested that the Israeli experience disproved my contention that women in combat undermine unit cohesion and thereby generate Clausewitzian friction. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

In fact, the Israeli experience, contrary to the assertions of my correspondents, constitutes the closest thing we have to a laboratory experiment for testing the claims of those who would expand the role of women as the Army is trying to do.

Contrary to common contention, Israel does not currently allow women in combat — they've been banned since 1948. But they have a history of integrated fighting there that we can learn from.

During the period of the British Mandate for Palestine, Palestinian Jews formed an elite, semi-clandestine, volunteer youth organization called Palmach. During Israel's War of Independence, Palmach served as the core of Haganah, the forerunner of the Israel Defense Force (IDF).

The ideology of Palmach was egalitarian socialism, and according to the Israeli military historian Marin Van Creveld, the organization "was sexually integrated to an extent rarely attained by any armed force before or since." Van Creveld writes that before Israeli independence, Palmach women accompanied men on missions, especially "undercover missions that involved obtaining intelligence, transmitting messages, smuggling arms, and the like."

Despite Palmach's ideological commitment to radical equality for women, the practical experience of the 1948 war — which involved coordinated, combined arms-offensive actions — convinced the leaders of Israel and the IDF that the dangers of women in combat outweighed the benefits — including commitment to an abstract concept of equality between the sexes. For one thing, according to the late Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, women reduced the combat effectiveness of Haganah units because men took steps to protect them out of "fear of what the Arabs would do to [the] women if they captured them."

The Israeli case demonstrates that, at least in the past, when confronted by great danger, reasonable people can sacrifice ideology to the dictates of nature. In other words, nature trumps attempts at human engineering.

Mackubin Thomas Owens is an associate dean of academics and professor of national-security affairs at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. He led a Marine rifle platoon in Vietnam in 1968-69.

 

     


 

 
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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bdu; combat; fatigues; idf; israel; israeli; women
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To: mark502inf

now i know why they are pushing women in the us army so hard; the Israeli's have already done it.

the implications are not good for the us army.


41 posted on 01/11/2005 10:58:43 AM PST by OldCorps
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To: ZULU

You mean of the five, I support you in that declaration 1,000%!!!!!!!!


42 posted on 01/11/2005 11:09:58 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: Owl_Eagle

You'll have to define "disappointed". Personally, I've always found Jewish girls very sexy, clothed or otherwise, and the young lady at the bottom second from the right in the larger group photo is an absolute doll.


43 posted on 01/11/2005 11:19:12 AM PST by katana
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To: Hildy

These young warrior women look lovely, but there's something about them that makes me think I wouldn't want to cross them ...


44 posted on 01/11/2005 11:40:50 AM PST by ArmyTeach (Speak the truth, right the wrong and follow the King.)
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To: StoneGiant; neverdem; Happy2BMe

Okay, who's gunna jump on this gal for having her finger on the trigger?

Is she dumb, stupid or just a young woman you'd wanna be polite to?


45 posted on 01/11/2005 12:07:11 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: katana

You'll have to define "disappointed".

Oh, my only disappointment was that our FRiend Neverdem didn't include photos himself.  Glad I am that other FReepers pitched in and included the lovely ladies of the IDF.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

46 posted on 01/11/2005 12:19:53 PM PST by End Times Sentinel ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;" –Thomas Paine)
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To: B4Ranch
This chopper has a tampon somewhere on it . .


47 posted on 01/11/2005 12:29:25 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything- If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Yeah, they're in the blood bag, I mean the first aid kit.


48 posted on 01/11/2005 12:40:38 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

No - look again. It's a FEMALE CHOPPER . .


49 posted on 01/11/2005 1:07:28 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything- If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: ZULU

"I like the two on the left."

I was thinking the same thing.


50 posted on 01/11/2005 1:15:40 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: B4Ranch
Okay, who's gunna jump on this gal for having her finger on the trigger?

I don't see a finger on a trigger. The last pic in comment# 4 has the finger outside and below the trigger guard.


51 posted on 01/11/2005 1:44:05 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: in the Arena

They can clean my gun anytime!


52 posted on 01/11/2005 2:07:48 PM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: mark502inf; Alouette
Is this some sort of ATTEMPTED insult to Golda... to place a picture of her when she was a VERY OLD lady ? She was a wonderful lady!! I remember picturs of her as young woman... she was nice looking and best of all SMART!!

Sonny, when we get old MOST of us don't look so "cute". I ought to know... I am pushing 80 myself. But when I was a young guy... well, I wasn't hard to look at ... so said my late wife. : ^ )

53 posted on 01/11/2005 3:40:33 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: neverdem

She misses me.

54 posted on 01/11/2005 3:45:26 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Marin [sic] Van Creveld. Martin Van Creveld. Don't trust a word out of his mouth, nor a word he has written, without indepedent verification.
55 posted on 01/11/2005 3:57:39 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: neverdem

Yup, you are right.


56 posted on 01/11/2005 4:09:14 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Martin Van Creveld. Don't trust a word out of his mouth, nor a word he has written, without indepedent verification.

Why do you say that?

57 posted on 01/20/2005 3:59:52 PM PST by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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