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To: nopardons
Oh yes...and El Cid was NOT written 1,000 years ago,either.

The learned Amador de los Rios, whose opinion carries great weight, thinks that the famous poem must have been written prior to 1157.

145 posted on 01/11/2005 7:21:33 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: Centurion2000

I'll look that up,after dinner and get back to you.It's been many decades since I read El Cid. :-)


165 posted on 01/11/2005 3:13:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Centurion2000
Okie dokey,looked it up and I have several sources,none of who say that El Cid was written in 1157.

Robert Southy,whose "CHRONICLE OF THE CID" was published in 1808,was England's Poet Laureat,and his translation/compilation is "universally esteemed as the finest example of romantic history...."

Yes,he spoke Spanish and studied all of the manuscripts about The Cid while he was living there.Chronica Del Famosa Cavallero Cid Ruydiez Campeador Burgos was first printed in 1552 and again in a1593.But the exact age of the original Chronile was impossible to date exactly. Then,there is Poema Del Cid,which is dated from 1307,but could be from 1220.The last source Southy used for his work,were Romances Del Cid ,which are later versions (ballads),from the late 16 through the 17th centuries.

Southy wrote that the language of all of these writings varies,varies and you can tell that the Spanish is older in some versions than in others.

Gee...what was it you were saying about how Spanish didn't change very much?

Now W.S. Merewin says that El Cid was probably written around 1140.but the ONLY extant copy,which has three pages missing,and is a copy made in 1307 by a monk. Southy says that this copy had been mucked with and that Per Abbat (Merwin agrees that's who copied it,BTW)had added things in more "modern" language.

If we take your date of 1157 and subtract it from 2005,we get 848 years. If we use the earliest date of Poema El Cid, that I found,it's 865 years,from then till now. So either way,it's NOT 1,000 years,as you claimed.

For someone who has been soooooooooooo nit picky,on this thread,your own posts have left much to be desired and quite a lot of nits to pick. :-)

173 posted on 01/11/2005 5:52:14 PM PST by nopardons
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