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Grammar for Smarties("Why Oh Why" books' success prove we’re serious about the care of our language)
The American Prowler ^ | 1/11/2005 | Christopher Orlet

Posted on 01/10/2005 10:26:26 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: nopardons

Terry Southern? I don't know how to process that...stunned and speechless.

I need a couple minutes to recover...


61 posted on 01/10/2005 11:36:59 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Centurion2000
El Cid was originally written in SPANISH!
62 posted on 01/10/2005 11:37:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
FR has examples of ALL of the very worst of the worst.Sometimes it's so depressing to read a thread and the replies.

I don't mind honest typos, or various colloquialisms, but posts with mistakes that reveal a lack of knowledge of basic English only help make FreeRepublic look bad. It gives lurkers who may have bought into the stereotype of "ignorant, redneck conservatives" an excuse to feel they were right all along.

It's a lost cause trying to prod everyone into proofing their posts more carefully, but at the very least I like to alert the moderators to mistakes in thread titles, so that the "latest threads/posts" indices won't look shoddy to anyone who surfs into FreeRepublic for the first time. I once wondered whether the moderators found such alerts helpful or annoying, so I asked them, and was told to keep it up -- they like to keep the front pages cleaned up too.

63 posted on 01/10/2005 11:37:58 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Question_Assumptions
Just so you know, stupid white boys have been say aks for ask for, oh, at least 600 years ("I axe, why the fyfte man Was nought housband to the Samaritan?" -- Chaucer, 1386) and probably back well into Old English (as "acsian") for over 1,000 years. It was considered good literary English as late as 1535 ("Axe & it shall be given you." -- Matthew 7:7 in the Cloverdale Bible).

I'm sorry but I'm with the "liberal linguists" on this one. Languages change over time. The question is how much voice recordings will act to push back that change.

Go into your job interview with that one.

I'll stay right here and wait for you when you're out, just to see how you did.

Yeah...YOU wouldn't say "axe." Let the OTHER guy say it and relegate himself to an underclass.

I am completely aware of how Shakespeare used slang, etc. Do NOT misunderstand that speech and diction are a progenitor of achievement.

64 posted on 01/10/2005 11:38:02 PM PST by paulat
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To: nopardons

I hear you.

Have you ever tried streaming chatrooms? It's even worse there! At FR, at least we can preview before we post.

Oh, and that first sentence reminded me of something I've seen posted on FR many a time: "Here here". Agh!! :-Þ


65 posted on 01/10/2005 11:38:03 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Centurion2000

Oh yes...and El Cid was NOT written 1,000 years ago,either.


66 posted on 01/10/2005 11:38:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Not to mention writing "to" for "too" and making a mess of your/you're ,there/their and many others,besides the incorr+ect conjunction cockups. FR has examples of ALL of the very worst of the worst.Sometimes it's so depressing to read a thread and the replies.

How many different ways did Shakespeare spell his own name? What most people don't realize is that the editions of Shakespeare that we get from publishers have often had the spelling and language regularized. Spelling was incredibly inconsistent until literacy became more widespread and publishing helped standardize it. Unfortunately, the spelling started to be standardized while people were still speaking Middle English so we're left with all sorts of unusual spellings and silent letters that were once served a purpose.

67 posted on 01/10/2005 11:39:27 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: SAJ; nopardons; durasell; Question_Assumptions

William Safire's Rules for Writers:

* Remember to never split an infinitive.
* The passive voice should never be used.
* Do not put statements in the negative form.
* Verbs have to agree with their subjects.
* Proofread carefully to see if you words out.
* If you reread your work, you can find on rereading a great deal of repetition can be by rereading and editing.
* A writer must not shift your point of view.
* And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. (Remember, too, a preposition is a terrible word to end a sentence with.)
* Don't overuse exclamation marks!!
* Place pronouns as close as possible, especially in long sentences, as of 10 or more words, to their antecedents.
* Writing carefully, dangling participles must be avoided.
* If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is.
* Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixing metaphors.
* Avoid trendy locutions that sound flaky.
* Everyone should be careful to use a singular pronoun with singular nouns in their writing.
* Always pick on the correct idiom.
* The adverb always follows the verb.
* Last but not least, avoid cliches like the plague; seek viable alternatives.


68 posted on 01/10/2005 11:41:29 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: SAJ

That it is!


69 posted on 01/10/2005 11:41:58 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: k2blader; Petronski
Does "friggin'" add value to our verb-rich language?

Euphemisms are always valuable.

70 posted on 01/10/2005 11:42:24 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Graybeard58
* Proofread carefully to see if you words out.

Ummm... :-)

71 posted on 01/10/2005 11:42:35 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Graybeard58

*LOL*!! Nice ones.


72 posted on 01/10/2005 11:43:13 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: durasell
Hmmmmmmm...I write thank-you cards and place cards and 18 page letters. I'm NOT trying to duplicate any past time at all,this is just "usual" and quite normal for me.My daughter does these things too. Are you saying that we are anomalies or that we are putting on "airs"?

Of course,neither she nor I live in California and we do not "make a mess of it". LOL

73 posted on 01/10/2005 11:43:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: LibertarianInExile
bring/take

Huh?

Your teacher was at the DESTINATION. "Bring your homework."

Your mother was at your DEPARTURE: "Take your homework."

Thus, if I'm not there yet, don't tell me to bring 'it', unless you ARE there and are sending me a message from there.

How is that hard?

74 posted on 01/10/2005 11:44:43 PM PST by Petronski (Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?)
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To: FreedomCalls
That's the cook who lisps;right? The Naked Chef?

He has a dreadful accent!

75 posted on 01/10/2005 11:45:29 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Jack Deth

May=permission.

Can=possibility.



They're both 'P' words.


76 posted on 01/10/2005 11:45:52 PM PST by Petronski (Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?)
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To: SAJ

I've heard that the BBC and the RSC commissioned a person to go around and tape record people speaking RP. It was so that their younger actors could use it for reference to do a proper RP accent in older plays as so many did not know how to do one, having never been taught.


77 posted on 01/10/2005 11:45:53 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Jack Deth

Another good catch!


78 posted on 01/10/2005 11:46:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: k2blader
homonyms irk me most.

Is fairy the homonym of ferry?

79 posted on 01/10/2005 11:46:52 PM PST by Ken H
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To: paulat
The question is not whether saying "aks" at a job interview will get me a job or not today but whether "aks" will be the way just about everyone says it in another 50 to 100 years. One can get away with saying plenty of things (including plenty of things people are complaining about in this thread) in job interviews, especially if the person interviewing you is under 40 or 50, that you wouldn't have gotten away with decades ago. Like I said, language changes.

And let's not forget that we have a man who was elected president, twice, who can't seem to pronounce "nuclear" properly.

80 posted on 01/10/2005 11:47:28 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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