Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?

World Net Daily ^ | 1-7-05

[af_vet_1981]

The communists had many shills as well trying to persuade America to just surrender. If there is a WMD attack on an American city I would expect a retaliatory attack of nuclear proportions, martial law and drastic changes.

[af_vet_1981]

Tokyo Rose

[dennisw]

You, and your bretheren here on FR in that belief, disgust me.

Then get lost, crap weasel. Go vent somewhere else. A Muslim board would suit you.

[dennisw]

If there is a WMD attack on an American city I would expect a retaliatory attack of nuclear proportions, martial law and drastic changes.

Mammals (even reptiles) know you have to retaliate (sometimes aggress) to protect your kind and your offspring. No eco-niche is a free ride. Chemgeek insists on playing the buffoon.

[af_vet_1981]

He identifies more with the Islamic terrorists than with the United States of America. It was ever so in our history. The Tories identified with the British. The French traders identified with the Indians. There were others who did not want us to fight, let alone defeat, Germany or Japan.

[Texas Songwriter]

The Looney Left.......
Consider this. Al Quaida secrets a nuclear device up from Mexico into the Houston Ship Channel-refinery area and detonates it. It kills 200000 immediately and will soon take out another half million in deaths. This economy is paralyzed and a depression ensues immediately.....
Now my question is this. Does it sound like the looney left now. The reason I posit this scenario is because the al Quaida leadership has said this is their desire.
After the fact it is too late. Thus preemption. I believe preemption need to go further or at least let all arab islamists know that the response will be their utter destruction. There may be deterrence in them understanding that destruction will come over them.

[Allan]

Frankly
I don't think Mecca much would be missed
even by the Moslems.
They'd get over it in a short while.
However
I'd recommend 24 hours warning be given
for women and children to clear out.
(I speak as one
who has had relatives do the Haj.)

[af_vet_1981]

I'd recommend 24 hours warning be given for women and children to clear out.

Of course. We also gave Hiroshima and Nagasaki warning as well. We are not barbarians.

[1FASTGLOCK45]

Hmmm Tough choices, How about I'll close one eye and use the other to "blindly" pick choice (All of the above)? :D

[FreeReign]

This is really a very unfortunate rumor. Here we are enguaged in a war trying to enlist the help of the average Iraqi on the street, and here some well meaning (or NOT) dufus is lofting a hypothetical that sees us destroying the most sacred shrine known to those very Iraqi folks on the street. This is what one might call a wedge issue. It couldn't be designed better to separate us from potential allies, if it were designed by Laden himself.

Exactly right. OBL would love nothing better than for us to nuke Mecca. It's his only chance to get a billion Muslims on his side. Else, he loses.

[FreeReign]

"Israel … recognizes that the Aswan Dam is Egypt's Damoclean Sword," writes Wheeler. "There is no possibility whatever of Egypt's winning a war with Israel, for if Aswan is blown, all of inhabited Egypt is under 20 feet of water. Once the Israelis made this clear to the Egyptians, the possibility of any future Egyptian attack on Israel like that of 1948, 1967, and 1972 is gone."

Cartoon in its comparison. If mecca is blown, you've got 1 billion Muslims outside of Mecca who are -- not under water.

[johnmilken]

Bin Laden wants an all out holy war. A threat to Mecca would probably have him mouthing 'bring it on'. Whatever we have been doing - on camera and off - seems to be working out pretty well.

[RocketJsqurl]

Nuking Mecca makes sense as a deterent. One more hit on US soil and their holy sight where they need to make a pilgrimage at least once will be a nuclear waste sight. Al Queda will be held responsibile. We hopefully can have a mass conversion to Christianity. Islam is a false religion.

[broadsword]

He doesn't belong here. He is only here to disrupt, lie and defend his beloved religion of bloodthirsty peace.

[Star Traveler]

You said --

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_jack_pershing.htm
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/pershing.html

You can go flashing the printout of snopes.com with you, while you take the pig through the mosques. See what happens. Your "snopes" printout won't save you.

Before you go, tell me where to send your flowers.

The rest of the people here won't be so stupid as to believe the tripe you're trying to perpetrate.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "I explained that this was illogical because if we were truly at war with Islam Mecca and all the holy sites could quickly be reduced to ashes."

And that's exactly what we should be doing. We should be busy destroying the religion of Islam and all their self-conceived, important and critical symbols. They seem to derive their legitimacy of Islam from these symbols. The United States needs to destroy them all! (i.e., the religion and the symbols).

You also say -- "There are those whoever who desire not peace and who prey upon the innocent in the name of their religion. It is those Islamic extremists who must be hunted like mad dogs and given no quarter."

The problem with only hunting the terrorists is that those people are deriving their legitimacy from the "self-perceived legitimacy of Islam." There will simply be more terrorists, when you destroy the first batch. They are training the terrorists faster than we can kill them. We need to destroy the source of their legitimacy -- which is Islam. There's the only solution.

You also say -- "It is our national character to fight, and I believe that we will fight for the values that shape our country which may prove to destroy the extremists more than any bomb."

What you say was not enough during the Second World War. This idea that fighting "... for the values that shape our country ... may prove to destroy the extremists more than any bomb" is false.

During the Second World War we dropped bombs like rain on the enemy. We didn't stop raining bombs until the war was won. Then, after the war was won, we started teaching them the principles that we live for (not before).

We didn't drop leflets in Japan that "taught our principles" -- not at all. We threatened them with death and destruction and then we showed them what death and destruction was all about with two atomic bombs. After it was over, then we went into the principles that we live by.

You first deliver death and destruction to Islam -- and then you deliver the principles. You've got it backwards.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[GOPJ]

bump

[Camel Joe]

In case you didn't notice I posed the question of why STOP with Mecca. My eyes have been opened and I no longer am deceived, Islam must end. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Listen to what even supposed moderate Imams are saying. You can with a little effort find out what exactly they are saying and it will chill you to the bone. Wake up, you are in a slumber that could be the means to your end.

[Chemist_Geek]

Once again, spatula, if you're going to lie about me have the courtesy to ping me.

[dog breath]

You can destroy a buildings and people with bombs but you can't destroy a religion that way. Since Islam is found in every corner of the globe I am not sure in the end what effect destroying it's holy places would have. Simple pagan religions were often destroyed by destroying their sacred sites but their philosophies were not as evolved as Islam's. The Romans on the other hand never could destroy Christianity despite ruthless efforts. Genocide on a huge scale might succeed against Islam, which vaporizing millions of people would certainly be, but in the end to eradicate Islam would require actions which might of given Hitler pause. There is such a fine line to cross between winning a war and committing crimes against humanity.