Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?

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Friday, January 7, 2005

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Has U.S. threatened
to vaporize Mecca?
Intelligence expert says nuke option is reason bin Laden has been quiet

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Posted: January 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

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© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Why hasn't Osama bin Laden's terror network executed an attack on U.S. soil since 9-11?

Simple, says Dr. Jack Wheeler, creator of an acclaimed intelligence website dubbed "the oasis for rational conservatives": The U.S. has threatened to nuke the Muslim holy city of Mecca should the terror leader strike America again.

On his website, To the Point, Wheeler explains how the Bush administration has identified the potential of wiping Mecca off the map as bin Laden's ultimate point of vulnerability – the Damoclean Sword hanging over his head.

"Israel … recognizes that the Aswan Dam is Egypt's Damoclean Sword," writes Wheeler. "There is no possibility whatever of Egypt's winning a war with Israel, for if Aswan is blown, all of inhabited Egypt is under 20 feet of water. Once the Israelis made this clear to the Egyptians, the possibility of any future Egyptian attack on Israel like that of 1948, 1967, and 1972 is gone."

Wheeler says talk of bin Laden's Damoclean Sword has infiltrated the Beltway.

Writes Wheeler in his members-only column: "There has been a rumor floating in the Washington ether for some time now that George Bush has figured out what Sword of Damocles is suspended over Osama bin Laden's head. It's whispered among Capitol Hill staffers on the intel and armed services committees; White House NSC (National Security Council) members clam up tight if you begin to hint at it; and State Department neo-cons love to give their liberal counterparts cardiac arrhythmia by elliptically conversing about it in their presence.

"The whispers and hints and ellipses are getting louder now because the rumor explains the inexplicable: Why hasn't there been a repeat of 9-11? How can it be that after this unimaginable tragedy and Osama's constant threats of another, we have gone over three years without a single terrorist attack on American soil?"

Available only to subscribers of To the Point, Wheeler ends his column by explaining the effectiveness of the Mecca threat.

"Completely obliterating the terrorists' holiest of holies, rendering what is for them the world's most sacred spot a radioactive hole in the ground is retribution of biblical proportions – and those are the only proportions that will do the job.

"Osama would have laughed off such a threat, given his view that Americans are wussies who cut and run after a few losses, such as Lebanon in 1983 and Somalia in 1993. Part of Bush's rationale for invading Afghanistan and Iraq – obviously never expressed publicly – was to convince Osama that his threat to nuke Mecca was real. Osama hates America just as much as ever, but he is laughing no more."

Wheeler says bin Laden is "playing poker with a Texas cowboy holding the nuclear aces," so there's nothing al-Qaida could do that could come remotely close to risking obliterating Mecca.

Writes Wheeler: "So far, Osama has decided not to see if GW is bluffing. Smart move."

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[Modernman]

We are in a war and have failed to even identify who the enemy is. Islam and it's leaders have declared war on us and have attacked and will continue to attack but we have not only failed in targeting the enemy and his resources we are afraid to even call him [islam and islamic leaders] the enemy.

In the last couple of years we have overthrown two enemy regimes and have killed tens of thousands of our enemies. That hardly supports your claim that we have failed to identify or target our enemy.

In any event, "Islam" cannot declare war on us any more than any other shapeless entity can.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "That core symbol is in Jesus Christ. Destroy that symbol and you destroy the religion of Christianity forever. It will totally disintegrate. That's the bottom line."

In Israel, they complain about giving "moral equivalency to the actions of the PA and their suicide bombers (killing Israelis) and the actions of the Israelis in killing the murderers and leaders of the terrorist groups, in order for the Israelis to save lives. In other words, there is no moral equvalency between the two killings (which the MSM tries to give).

Now, in your statement, your doing the same thing, with so-called religions. In the case of Christianity, to pose the situation (as you have above) is giving theological equivalency to the false and murderous religion of Islam, and putting it on the "same footing" as Christianity.

One of the points that I was going to make (but hadn't gotten around to it yet) was exactly the opposite of what I am saying about Islam (in regards to Christianity and Judaism). You can wipe out all the symbols of Christianity and/or Judaism and not affect the legitimacy and truth of these two.

In fact such a thing has already been done with both, really. The Temple has been destroyed several times. Christ was crucified on the cross. What's the difference here, versus Islam.

Islam is a false and murderous religion based on lies, falsehood and repression. Christianity (and Judaisim, from when came the Messiah) is based up truth, freedom and choice. These are elements in the very nature of God, Himself. You can't destroy those. You have God's word, which you can't destroy either (and it has been tried countless times).

On Islam's behalf, you can destroy it -- and -- it will be destroyed, without a doubt (whether we are the ones who contribute to that destruction or not).

You make the grand and colossal and big mistake of giving moral equivalency and theological equivalency to Islam -- in comparison to Christianity and Judaism.

I say destroy all of Islam's "self-proclaimed" symbols and let the evil and false religion collapse upon itself.

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. -- the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (in Israel), and the Messiah of Christianity are the one and true God, representing truth and justice and freedom. The god of Islam is Satan (look at the statements of the Koran and the deeds of Islam and compare them to the deeds of Satan; they are one and the same). We already know that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will throw the god of Islam (who is Satan) into the lake of fire, to furn forever and forever. The end of Islam is coming whether we do something about it now, or the Messiah wipes it off the face of the earth later. Either way, it's happening. The end of Islam is certain.

[TMSuchman]

Actually I think bin lead a$$ is holding aces & 8's [deadman's hand!] in his hand.

[lentulusgracchus]

I would argue you are applying an invalid precedent. I'm thinking of Arabs who would suddenly be totally lost.

Well, perhaps my analogy could have been better, but I suppose my point is that a fanatic isn't really lost if he knows where you live. I.e., people can live for their hatred, like Captain Ahab, as well as for inspiration or the pursuit of happiness. I would argue that lots of Muslim jihadis are doing it already, and that they certainly wouldn't stop if we removed their golden milepost.

Excavating and ejecting the dust of Mecca into outer space would be more in the nature of revenge and (on the innocent bystanders) mass murder.

The moral problem with using WMD is precisely that they are extremely indiscriminate and recall Abraham's bargaining with God for the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.

[Nesher]

"Nuking Mecca won't accomplish anything, except alienate almost all the Muslims in the world."

Well they hate us anyway so it doesnt really matter.

If there is another attack we should make an example of Mecca.

[TheForceOfOne]

Whoa!! That kicked up the surf!

[lentulusgracchus]

I certainly hope so. I want to see him wheeled in a cage up Pennsylvania Avenue, in the middle of a big parade, to be dragged down into the well of the Senate, to let the senators there decide what to do with him, just like the Roman Senate used to do.

Then kill him. A helicopter ride to 1320 feet above the ocean would be proportionate justice. That was the height from which the doomed employees of Cantor Fitzgerald and Windows on the World made their swan dives into World Trade Center Plaza.

[Star Traveler]

You say -- "A unprovoked nuclear attack against Mecca would go down as one of the vilest, evil acts ever foisted against mankind and would be told and retold for countless lifetimes. Our civilization as we know it would be condemned, vilified, and would be dead within a few generations from internal strife and external influences."

Jesus Christ will be returning to set up a kingdom upon this earth. Every year, during Christmas time, the Messiah is sung at countless places, in which it points out the returning king, upon whom will be the government of all the nations and the entire world. It is told to us that He will rule all these nations and this entire earth with a rod of iron. It will be a harsh government to anyone who will oppose it. It will be a peaceful and enjoyable government to those who are His own. He will rule the nations of the world (the ones we see now) from Israel.

One of the first things that Jesus Christ will do -- will be to destroy all the symbols of false religions and allow only the one which is set up by Him. All people who oppose at the time of His coming will be annihilated. No one who opposes the religion and government He sets up will survive. They will be all killed without question.

Now, if we destroy the symbols of Islam (that false and evil religion of Satan), it will be merely child's play -- against the actions that Jesus Christ takes when He returns. And that's not too far away, at this time. We can very well be talking about months or years. Israel will not be destroyed by Islam (or by anything else), before the Messiah steps in and puts a stop to the whole thing. Israel is "in the land" for good, now.

The question is, "How long will it be before the Muslims have the ability and the permission of the world to destroy Israel and drive them into the sea? However long that is (according to your own estimates), is the estimate for the return of the Messiah (since He will not allow that to happen).

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Nesher]

thanks for the ping broadsword.

I think if we nuke Mecca, 2 days before we do we should announce:

"Muslims of the world, in the very near future your most precious city (and allah's favorite) will be vaporized by a nuclear attack. If your allah is actually real, we, the people of the United States DARE him to stand in our way. We declare that allah is an idol, and that his holy prophet Muhammed is a drunken pedophile rapist who dreamt up the "religion" of Islam while having diahrrea. We the American people hold that the Koran is worthless, and that allah can kiss all of our indifels a****. We challenge allah, whom we have just desecrated, to do anything about it."

When nothing happens and the moosylems see that allah did not save mecca they will realize their religion is fake.

Well bye for now I have to go buy some copies of the Koran to use as toilet paper.

[weenie]

The god of Islam is Satan (look at the statements of the Koran and the deeds of Islam and compare them to the deeds of Satan; they are one and the same).

If this is true (and I believe it is), it does not logically follow that destroying physical symbols will stop Islam (and will probably not even slow down Satan and the forces of spiritual evil).

That being said...I don't know what the answer is.

[Star Traveler]

You say -- "Please. Come back to the real world. In the real world, when you destroy someone's holiest religious site, they tend to turn against you, not convert to your religion."

Jesus Christ will do that very thing. He will destroy every last vestige of anything which is contrary to the pure and true faith and religion that He sets up when He returns. That's not very far off (months or years, at this point).

In talking about totally destroying the symbols of Islam, we're talking about destroying their lying and false religion and any legitimacy that they may falsely hold in their own minds.

Destroy all these symbols and Islam will collapse from the lack of any sort of legitimacy at all.

And also, there is no moral or theological equvalency between Christianity (along with Judaism) -- and -- Islam. Islam is full of lies, murder and deceipt, by the writings in their own Koran (plus their actions, derived from the so-called legitimacy of their religion). Their end goal, in any case, is the destruction of Israel and all the Jews, plus the destruction of Christianity.

It's not because of their opposition to Christianity that I say to destroy all their symbols (which lend, in their own minds, credibility), but for the sake of terrorism and removing the true basis for Islamic terrorism, which is that so-called "legitimacy" that they hold their religion to.

There are a lot of false religions out there that I would not advocate destroying like I would with Islam. Islam is simply false and evil, with Satan directly at its head. It's a "religion of death" -- while Christianity is a religion of life. The Bible already talks against making any agreement or pacts with this religion of death. None of the other false religions are in the same category as Islam. It needs to be destroyed; it's as evil as Satan himself.

After their symbols are destroyed, ridicule their religion into the ground -- just like some of the prophets of the Old Testament did. God laughs at all the actions of the false religions. We should laugh and ridicule, too.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Nesher]

"Any President who used nukes in a situation like this would be impeached, tried and perhaps executed. And rightfully so."

I highly doubt it. Maybe people like Ted Kennedy would want them executed, but if there was another 9/11, i think most people would realize the Muslims need to be shown a lesson.

Like Blofelt [the head of Spectre] said in the Bond movie Diamonds Are Forever, "It is time to demonstrate our power"

"FR is full of Nucular (mispelling intentional)Cowboys who think the solution to every foreign policy question is a mushroom cloud. "

Well not EVERY foreign policy question, but hey, nukes can be pretty handy.

"Thankfully, none of them are allowed anywhere near the levers of power."

are you SURE about that? are you SURE you're sure????

"The President and his advisors understand the real world, unlike some of the yahoos on FR."

Yes the Pres. and his advisors do understand the real world, unlike most liberals who think that the world is a utopia where everyone just wants to get along.

In the real world there are nukes and there are times when we should use them.

What's the point of having so many nukes if we never use them?

They just sit around collecting dust.

[Star Traveler]

Hi there!

You said -- "If this is true (and I believe it is), it does not logically follow that destroying physical symbols will stop Islam (and will probably not even slow down Satan and the forces of spiritual evil)."

Well, I say this not because I hold those symbols as powerful or somehow lending power to their actions (i.e., Islam). It's basically because the Islamic world seems to hold these things to a level of basic, core, and foundational legitimacy of their religion. You see, they have to destroy other "symbols" from other religions, in order to make theirs paramount. They've done it with Christianity and with Judaism. That's why we've got the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount.

But remember, with Christianity (and Judaism), we've never made these things the foundational element of what we believe. The Muslims have with theirs. It's the method for their destruction.

They basically could not tolerate having anything there (like the Jewish Temple) which would even be "alongside" theirs. That would be too much of an insult to their idea of legitimacy.

So, since the Islamic world has vested so much into this kind of legitimacy, they have made themselves vulnerable to their own collapse, using the very same reasoning that they use for other religions in destroying their symbols.

Don't you see? It's their own failing. It's also the solution to the Islamic terrorism problem.

As for Satan and the forces of evil, no..., this will not stop Satan. He will continue on with all his ploys and machinations. However it will stop Satan from using this one tool in the manner it's been used up to now.

Only God will stop Satan. We know the end of that story.

You also say -- "That being said...I don't know what the answer is."

Well, the answer is always the Messiah of Israel. There is no other. We may be suffering with this type of terrorism for years to come, until the return of the Messiah. And, in the end (this very short end, at this point in time), it will be solved totally by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, through His Messiah -- whether anyone wants to recognize that now or not.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Modernman]

Jesus Christ will do that very thing. He will destroy every last vestige of anything which is contrary to the pure and true faith and religion that He sets up when He returns. That's not very far off (months or years, at this point).

If you say so. Of course, you seem to miss the hypocrisy of revelling in the throught of Jesus using his power to force others to change their religion, while at the same time critisizing Muslims for engaging in sword-point conversions.

In talking about totally destroying the symbols of Islam, we're talking about destroying their lying and false religion and any legitimacy that they may falsely hold in their own minds.

Then I hope you're ready to fight a war like the world has never seen and that humanity might not survive. I hope you're ready to murder tens, if not hundreds, of millions of innocent people in your quest for religious purity.

If you are, I think you and Osama Bin Laden are spiritual bosom buddies.

[weenie]

In the real world there are nukes and there are times when we should use them.

Nukes are overkill when a convention weapon could turn the cube and the Great Mosque to dust. Isn't that all that's required? We don't need to destroy Mecca, just the moon rock and its mosque..

[Modernman]

Jesus Christ will be returning to set up a kingdom upon this earth. Every year, during Christmas time, the Messiah is sung at countless places, in which it points out the returning king, upon whom will be the government of all the nations and the entire world. It is told to us that He will rule all these nations and this entire earth with a rod of iron. It will be a harsh government to anyone who will oppose it.

So Jesus will be a dictator? It's a good thing we have the 2nd Amendment in this country. If Jesus and his cronies act like tyrants, they'll receive the same warm welcome American have always given tyrants.

One of the first things that Jesus Christ will do -- will be to destroy all the symbols of false religions and allow only the one which is set up by Him. All people who oppose at the time of His coming will be annihilated. No one who opposes the religion and government He sets up will survive. They will be all killed without question.

So, your vision of Jesus is equivalent to an omnipotent Osama Bin Laden. I doubt you see the irony there.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "Any President who used nukes in a situation like this would be impeached, tried and perhaps executed. And rightfully so."

Much better to be impeached and tried (by the "howling banshee leftists"), and get rid of the basis for the legitimacy of Islam in the world, and collapse their religion around their heads. That would be a just and proper sacrifice (of the President), if it had to be done. Generations afterwards would thank him profusely.

You also say -- "Thankfully, none of them are allowed anywhere near the levers of power. The President and his advisors understand the real world, unlike some of the yahoos on FR."

Thanks goodness (and we count our eternal blessings for this), that the Messiah of Israel does not take His counsel from you -- but from the Father in Heaven, who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And with that, He has already said, He will totally destroy all the false symbols and false religions of the world when He returns (shortly now).

If you're on the wrong side of that equation, you'll be destroyed along with all those others. Choose the winning side, now.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Libertas aut Mortis]

"Nuking Mecca won't accomplish anything, except alienate almost all the Muslims in the world"

- Like nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki alienated all the Japanese and prolonged THAT war.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "In the last couple of years we have overthrown two enemy regimes and have killed tens of thousands of our enemies. That hardly supports your claim that we have failed to identify or target our enemy."

We have only overthrown the ones giving support to the enemy. And thus, it was merely "the friend of my enemy is also my enemy" (in that they were giving aid and comfort and assistance to the "real" enemy).

Thus, we have not attacked the enemy -- which is Islam. We have done nothing with that true and fundamental enemy that we are fighting. We have only overthrown the "friends" of the enemies "on the edge" of the core enemy of Islam.

So, you've got that wrong. Wrong enemy, wrong overthrow. It's simply trying to whittle down the enemy by nibbling at the edges. Nothing more has happened.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[monkapotamus]

The US can survive whatever China throws at us and we got the fully armed and OPERATIONAL missile defense system. China would not survive what we can do to it though.

I think our weakness is how desperate Dems might attempt a coup of some sort down the line, working with our enemies, as they'll likely get crazier and crazier due to continual loss of power.