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Stricter immigration rules on tap
modbee ^ | 1-6-04

Posted on 01/06/2005 12:57:18 PM PST by LouAvul

WASHINGTON — The year's immigration reform debate started with a bang Wednesday, led by conservative lawmakers emphasizing law enforcement over legalization.

Striking early in the new Congress, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is introducing a tough package that includes stronger national standards for driver's licenses and stricter rules for granting asylum. It's a measure with highlevel support.

"We need to strengthen our borders, reform our asylum laws, and improve national standards for driver's licenses," House Speaker Dennis Hastert said Tuesday in his inaugural speech of the 109th Congress. "The terrorists who attacked us did so by exploiting gaps in our border security system (and) by abusing our immigration laws. We must fill those gaps."

Upward of 100 lawmakers, including Mariposa Republican George Radanovich, have signed on to the legislation. The package fulfills a promise Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., made last month after his preferred policies were dropped from an intelligence agency reform bill.

"We intend to move quickly on it," House Judiciary Committee spokesman Jeff Lungren said Tuesday. "We're going to finish this bill, and when we get this off the table, we can focus on other issues."

The bill would complete a three-mile gap in a fence along the United States-Mexico border near San Diego. It would allow federal agencies to accept only driver's licenses provided to those who have presented proof of legal U.S. residency. It would make it harder to appeal immigration decisions and easier for immigration judges to reject asylum applicants.

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KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; immigrantlist; immigrationreform; term2
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To: COEXERJ145
And of course you two have no proof to back up your statements.

Proof of what - something that hasn't happened yet. You are a maroon!


41 posted on 01/06/2005 5:41:10 PM PST by raybbr
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To: A Navy Vet

Those are the only two AgJOBS bills on Thomas.

The House is not showing a new bill, just their old version of the old bill.


42 posted on 01/06/2005 5:46:11 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: raybbr

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1314180/posts


43 posted on 01/06/2005 5:51:14 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: TFine80
Well, the GOP better learn to stand up to Bush. They are a different branch after all.

They all have the same puppet masters. They all belong to the lobbyists and multinationals. Most of them are collecting at least one family income as lobbyists ( wife , kids etc.) . They no longer represent us.. they are bought and paid for

You have the best government the special interests can buy

44 posted on 01/06/2005 5:54:14 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Joe Hadenuf

"I find that mind bending"

Me too. I read the below article the other day on FR, but it's still hard for it to sink in.

Our Government lags reality.

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20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS?
By Michelle Malkin   ·   January 03, 2005 11:02 AM

Barron's has an important lead article out today on "the underground economy" (password required). According to Robert Justich, a senior managing director at Bear Stearns Asset Management in New York, current estimates of the illegal alien population (most news articles cite the old 8 to 13 million figure) are too low. He puts the figure at 18 million to 20 million.

The article's author, Jim McTague, notes some devastating consequences of the failure to enforce our immigration laws--and he does so with a bluntness that is unusual for the usually open-borders-friendly business press:


http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001131.htm


45 posted on 01/06/2005 5:56:13 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: Marine Inspector
I meant the new "proposed" bill in this article. Sounds like the House may be serious about some reform, but we know the Senate will water it down, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the first bill Pres. Bush vetos.

I just don't get his sovereignty position. He moves forward without UN approval on the WOT and the Asian relief, but panders to Fox and proposes inane unworkable "guest" programs. Does he really think these guest workers will leave when their permit expires? Does he not see how these policies increase the rush for our borders? At the same time he is encouraging an Americas Union. What the heck is his position on sovereignty? It doesn't look good to me.

Hope you're keeping safe and thanks for the work you do.

46 posted on 01/06/2005 6:02:24 PM PST by A Navy Vet (CARE PACKAGES for our TROOPS: www.opgratitude.com - www.anysoldier.com - www.uso.org)
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To: A Navy Vet
Does he really think these guest workers will leave when their permit expires?

He does, because he plans on paying them to leave. Of course, he's paying them with our money, so he could care less.

Also, everyone that leaves will get replaced with another, regardless of how many US Citizens become unemployed.

Just watch what happens if his proposal gets passed. Companies will lower their wages until no US Citizen could afford to take the job and then they will hire GWer's by the dozen to increase his profits. Of course the cost savings will not be pasted on to the buying, the employer will pocket it all.

47 posted on 01/06/2005 6:14:46 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: A Navy Vet

Speaking of guest worker programs, I'm wondering how many there are in effect now. It seems I read about one existing that I've never heard of before every day.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315402/posts

NO SUCH THING AS "TEMPORARY" AMNESTY
Michelle Malkin ^ | Jan. 06, 2005 | Michelle Malkin

According to this article in the Miami Herald, the Bush Administration has decided to renew the temporary work and residence permits of 248,282 "undocumented" (illegal) immigrants from El Salvador under the so-called Temporary Protected Status (TPS) program. The decision will be announced later today.

A Bush Administration official informed the Herald that the reason for renewing the permits was because El Salvador was still rebuilding after earthquakes that struck the country in January 2001, four years ago.

Ostensibly, the TPS program is supposed to allow people from countries experiencing a natural disaster or civil war to come to the U.S. temporarily. Most of the Salvadorans granted TPS status, however, were already living in the U.S. illegally before the earthquake struck. In effect, the TPS designation is amnesty by another name.

There is nothing temporary about it. As the Federation for American Immigration Reform noted when the the decision to grant TPS status was announced back in 2001, "based on the track record of TPS authorizations, it is certain that it will be anything but temporary." snip----

A NEW YEAR'S PREDICTION COMES TRUE By Michelle Malkin   ·   January 06, 2005 09:26 AM

In my year-end column, I spotlighted the rise of MS-13, the violent El Salvadoran gang and predicted on the blog that "you'll be seeing and hearing a lot more of this savage criminal enterprise in the year to come."

Yesterday, the Boston Herald ran a much-buzzed-about story on...MS-13 in East Boston.

Today, the Herald has a follow-up on the arrest of an MS-13 thug in Somerville, Mass., on a murder warrant stemming from a fatal stabbing in Washington, D.C.:

Melquis Alvarez-Garcia is a reputed member of the East Boston Loco Salvadorans (EBLS) sect of MS-13, sources said. He was arrested about 7 p.m. after Somerville gang unit Sgt. Steven Carabino spotted a crew of 10 MS-13 members - garbed in their white and blue gang colors - congregating on the corner of McGrath Highway and Broadway.

Washington, D.C., police spokesman Sgt. Joe Gentile said Alvarez-Garcia is wanted for allegedly stabbing 38-year-old Jose Lazo to death April 6, 2002. Alvarez-Garcia was identified as a suspect in the killing a year later, and has been on the run, Gentile said. The motive for the murder was unknown yesterday. snip--


48 posted on 01/06/2005 6:20:47 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

TPS = Temporary Legal Illegal Alien.

The vast majority of TPS aliens were illegal aliens before they were granted TPS status.


49 posted on 01/06/2005 6:29:16 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

So, you started a thread that makes you sounds like a washerwoman gossiping and lamenting her fate over the backyard fence and you're so proud of this thing you actually post a link on yet another thread???!

LOL

Ooooookey doke


50 posted on 01/06/2005 6:30:17 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Malkin says "the decision" was going to be announced "later today".

Could you post the announcement, please?


51 posted on 01/06/2005 6:35:03 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: A Navy Vet

"I meant the new "proposed" bill in this article. Sounds like the House may be serious about some reform, but we know the Senate will water it down, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the first bill Pres. Bush vetos.
I just don't get his sovereignty position. He moves forward without UN approval on the WOT and the Asian relief, but panders to Fox and proposes inane unworkable "guest" programs. Does he really think these guest workers will leave when their permit expires? Does he not see how these policies increase the rush for our borders? At the same time he is encouraging an Americas Union. What the heck is his position on sovereignty? It doesn't look good to me.

Hope you're keeping safe and thanks for the work you do."

____________________________________________________________

When he abandons conservative principles to pander; for votes, bucks or PC reasons, he (we) always lose. As stated previously I cannot believe he thinks this will get him hispanic votes--either he's in hock to the "cheap labor" industries or Fox has him blackmailed.


52 posted on 01/06/2005 6:47:51 PM PST by sinanju
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To: raybbr

"We like the way you think!" Why thanks.

53 posted on 01/06/2005 6:49:14 PM PST by sinanju
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To: cyncooper

Go to www.whitehouse.gov or the immigration service and find it, I'm not your "washerwoman gossiping and lamenting".

Last week we agreed to no exchanges....remember??

Buzz off.


54 posted on 01/06/2005 6:51:01 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

I had already looked at the WH website.

nada

But I did watch the video of Miss Beazley.


55 posted on 01/06/2005 7:13:50 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Oh, and I if we agreed to not post to each other I forgot. I don't obsessively keep a catalog of freepers I don't like as some seem to.


56 posted on 01/06/2005 7:14:47 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: LouAvul
I am a native Texan and I can tell ya first hand, illegal immigration is outta hand. Our immigration laws and enforcement are a huge joke being played on the American people. Once the illegals get past the border area, there IN. The previous mayor here in Houston instructed the police department to turn a blind eye to illegals--it's a federal problem. Mayer Lee (outta town)Brown was the fella. There are large sections of Houston that are so transformed into a Mexican subculture that if illegals make it there, they are as safe and snug as a bug. Heck, I've known a fella that has been here since 1988 that I know of and he still doesn't speak a lick of english--howdoya think he got by so many years without speaking English? It is that huge subculture formed in this country. Let me tell ya, I've seen it all. Now let me clarify myself. I can't say I blame them for coming here. It's not their fault, it's the fault of our congress, presidents past and present, and the Mexican government. Heck, how can ya blame someone for wanting to work. It is our government that has allowed this to happen. We shoulder the tax burden to educate, medicate and incarcerate illegals. Dad blamit, if Bush wants to giv'em amnesty in the form of a guest worker program-well then fine, but shut the freakin borders down so we won't be doin this again in five years. DEMAND reforms in the Mexican government. Mexico is a very rich country, lots of gold, silver, oil, gems, natural gas, tourism, but where does it all go- to the rich!! The Mexican government is corrupt to the core. The government of Mexico doesn't even supply there people with adequate infrastructure. Ya ever been to Mexico? No matter where ya go, it smells like sewage, there is abject poverty everywhere. There are so many poor. Ya can't even drink the water down there. If Left moving Bush wants to buddy up to Fox, well let him look out for his own people for a change. I am so taken back by his love affair with Mexico. I like Bush, I support him, but he is so d*mn wrong on this issue.
57 posted on 01/06/2005 7:35:30 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS?
By Michelle Malkin   ·   January 03, 2005 11:02 AM

Barron's has an important lead article out today on "the underground economy" (password required). According to Robert Justich, a senior managing director at Bear Stearns Asset Management in New York, current estimates of the illegal alien population (most news articles cite the old 8 to 13 million figure) are too low. He puts the figure at 18 million to 20 million.

The article's author, Jim McTague, notes some devastating consequences of the failure to enforce our immigration laws--and he does so with a bluntness that is unusual for the usually open-borders-friendly business press:----snip


http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001131.htm



58 posted on 01/06/2005 7:47:25 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: All
I received this by email. Not surprising it's been posted already at least once by a Freeper.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110129/posts

A google search for a string of characters picked from the piece returned 170 hits.

Frankly, I think it's worthy of thousands of hits.

[Begin]

"America's Demise ????

"We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, 'Mexifornia,' explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

"Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, 'If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'

"'Here is how they do it,' Lamm said:

"First to destroy America, 'Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.'

"'The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.'

"Lamm went on:

"Second, to destroy America, 'Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.'

"Third, 'We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, 'I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.'

"'Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.'

"'My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.'

"'My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. 'E. Pluribus Unum' -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo.'

"'Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits -- make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century -- that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.' "In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,

"'Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.'

"There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.'

"American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984.' In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength.'

"Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream."

[End article]

59 posted on 01/06/2005 7:49:53 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: servantboy777
I am a native Texan and I can tell ya first hand, illegal immigration is outta hand. Our immigration laws and enforcement are a huge joke being played on the American people.

It's good to see a Texan speak the truth. There seems to be an inordinate amount of your neighbors on this site that seem to support this President on his disastrous open border/amnesty proposals and policies. 75 percent of the American people want/are demanding real immigration reforms/real border security and this President seems to be operating independent of what the American people want.

60 posted on 01/06/2005 7:56:33 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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