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To: MHGinTN
I would merely like to examine a few of your assumptions that underlie such a position.

I'm not trying to squash discussion, merely point out that, though there are complex political and moral questions, abortion is not one of them. Many issues have arguments on both sides; this one does not. The defenses of abortion are unique in that they have no logical validity whatsoever, and people on both sides know this.

I say this to say there is only one assumption that underlies the abortionist position, always, and that is: the baby is not a person.

The baby is not a person. That is the single, naked (and indefensible) assumption you are asking for.

So there are no assumptions, plural, there is only one. Anybody who wants to carry it off must: 1. define "person"; 2. describe the baby; 3. demonstrate how the products of conception lack the sine qua non quality of "person".

They can't do it and they HATE being asked to do it, because the mental pain of having to think it through is what they work, march, talk, and shout to avoid.

The entire abortionist position is one huge chunk of sophistry, designed to hide the awful truth: they believe in abortion for no other reason than that it is USEFUL. And what it is used FOR is to make casual sex risk-free. The baby is not a person (until some magical point) simply because they don't WANT to be responsible for it. It's not a moral argument; it is the same as when a 2 year old says "No. Nonononononono."

The rest, as I say, is sophistry.

/ rant

201 posted on 01/06/2005 9:55:14 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: Taliesan

Me thinks Taliesan, Firebrand, and MHGinTN are the ones arguing.

Rant on.

I'll see you in another thread sometime.

Peace.


204 posted on 01/06/2005 10:06:37 AM PST by peacebaby (smoked and inhaled)
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To: Taliesan

Well put! *Applause*


233 posted on 01/11/2005 2:11:59 PM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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