[zoobee]

Not having children is a definite sign of immaturity. It never occurred to me to have kids, even after I married, until a grew up some. And then the kids came and I found out I only thought I was a grownup.

I think you are a$$-backwards. Had you 'grown up' before you had kids....my bet is you never would of had them.

[hopespringseternal]

Had you 'grown up' before you had kids....my bet is you never would of had them.

Care to make an actual logical argument?

Sacrifice and giving are the marks of maturity. Selfishness is immaturity.

And you folks determined not to have children at any cost are the ones guaranteeing that someone else's children will have to support you in your old age.