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To: Aquinasfan
A guy "converted" her to pro-choice?

Not surprised at all. The most vociferous anti-baby crowd are men who want an "exit" for the the consequences of sex.

The most vocal pro-aborts I know are ALL men, many who express a profound disgust for the natural functions of women (pregnancy, childbirth, lactation). Breeders. Ickypoo. Get rid of that thing.

It's a man thing--more than a woman's choice. If there wasn't a boyfriend, husband or father pushing a woman to get rid of his problem, I wonder how many abortions there'd be?

27 posted on 01/03/2005 7:27:32 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
If there wasn't a boyfriend, husband or father pushing a woman to get rid of his problem, I wonder how many abortions there'd be?

I used to do prayer vigils in front of the Planned Parenthood slaughterhouse mentioned in the story. The young girls who came in on Saturdays were most often accompanied by their mothers or boyfriends.

The myth of the sexual revolution and the advent of "the pill" is that these things benefitted women. The reverse is true, as Pope Paul predicted in "On the Regulation of Birth":

Consequences of Artificial Methods

17. Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.

Finally, careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.


31 posted on 01/03/2005 7:39:05 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Mamzelle
I'll preface by saying I do not for an instant doubt you at all--

Of all the folks I know, men and women, its the women I know that are pro-abortion. I only know one man who is pro-abortion and he is a screeching zealot lib in Ann Arbor (the Berkeley of the Mitten).

42 posted on 01/03/2005 8:10:35 AM PST by grellis (Smittywurbenjaegermanjensen '08! He's #1 !!!)
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To: Mamzelle
I have to disagree, as a young single male, I am completely pro-life. Every time I have spoken to women about this issue, I am told that it is not a man's issue and that i should have no say. Then they explain that it is their choice, regardless of life.

The attitude is that a "unwanted" child, will potentially ruin their life or career. They have a complete disregard for responsibility for the actions that created the child, it's almost like they believe that their pregnancy fell from the sky. The womens movement has tried to completely remove the subject away from the abortion itself and more on the rights of a woman, so your argument falls flat on that one.

The men I see supporting this are euroweenies who are trying to suck up to their leftist girlfriend.

I think that men with that general attitude would more likely walk away than force their girlfriend to have and unwanted abortion. Do you have any examples of these pro-abortion mouth breathers?
189 posted on 01/12/2005 1:17:44 PM PST by Andrewksu
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