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Auburn Clings to Split Nat'l Title Hopes[BCS madness]
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Posted on 01/03/2005 6:20:10 AM PST by AppyPappy

Auburn Clings to Split Nat'l Title Hopes

By PAUL NEWBERRY NEW ORLEANS (AP) - In college football, it's never too late to get in some last-minute campaigning. No. 3 Auburn did just that, pitching its Sugar Bowl matchup with ninth-ranked Virginia Tech as a co-national championship game.

``You always have hope,'' Auburn athletic director David Housel said. ``Winston Churchill was right. Never, never, never, never, never give up.''

So, on the eve of Monday night's Sugar Bowl, Tigers coach Tommy Tuberville made his pitch: Auburn (12-0) deserves at least a share of the national title if it beats the Hokies.

``There are two national championship games,'' Tuberville insisted. ``There's one here at the Sugar Bowl, and there's another one at the Orange Bowl.''

Never mind that it's No. 1 Southern Cal vs. No. 2 Oklahoma in the Orange - and the winner of Tuesday night's game is assured of being voted BCS national champion in the coaches' poll.

snip The Hokies' other loss, 17-16 to North Carolina State, would have gone the other way if Brandon Pace's 43-yard field goal attempt on the final play had been a couple of feet to the left.

(Excerpt) Read more at sportsillustrated.netscape.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Alabama; US: California; US: Florida; US: Oklahoma; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bcs; collegefootball; hokies; vatech
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Note: NC State beat the Hokies like a rented mule. I think they sacked Randall a dozen times. State's lousy offense kept them out of the game. USC came back strong on us in the first game.

Auburn deserves to be in the National Championship.

1 posted on 01/03/2005 6:20:11 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
I am sympathetic to Auburn and think they deserve to be in the title game as the #1 team. However, the VT game is not that big of a knock on So Cal's schedule. The Wolfpack won 17-16. So Cal won 24-13 against VT. Use another argument. You are hurting Auburn's case with this.
2 posted on 01/03/2005 6:45:56 AM PST by fourscore (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness)
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To: fourscore

Auburn needs to be worried about the Hokies. Va Tech is #9. #3 beating #9 is not going to put Auburn in the #1 slot.


3 posted on 01/03/2005 7:02:15 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

Utah can make a case for being in a national championship game too. Its been a strange year in that we had 5 undefeated teams and a Louisville team with one defeat that might be able to play with anyone in the nation.

Someone has to be left out of the mix. It isnt fair. I would rather go back to the old system with the history of tradition then the current BSC. And I also think it should be Auburn against USC in the Orange bowl.

But its OK and USC because they went undefeated after having great season's last year.

And last but not least if Auburn wins there should be 2 national champions for the second year in a row. Problem with that is Utah should be in there too.


4 posted on 01/03/2005 7:18:59 AM PST by winodog (I wonder where America would be if we had not lost 40+million in the thirty+ year war)
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To: winodog

They need a playoff. Even if they just do #1-4. That would go a long way and raise revenue.


5 posted on 01/03/2005 7:20:42 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
I think Auburn is probably the best team in the country but I wouldn't bet the family farm on it.

California really looked weak against Texas Tech and they nearly beat USC. Of course these type comparisons could be used to make about any team look good or bad.

I can't really disagree with the polls as they are now except maybe the emphasis on keeping the team which started the season as #1 at the top as long as they win no matter what.

6 posted on 01/03/2005 7:28:09 AM PST by yarddog
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In conference games are tougher because your opponents know you better. Auburn winning the SEC should have made them automatic but I (Hokies) wouldn't want to play OK either.


7 posted on 01/03/2005 7:32:06 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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For the not-so-informed -- why didn't they have Auburn play Utah, since they were both undefeated? Then there would have been two games of undefeated teams playing. Ideally, there should be some kind of playoff game for situations like this. Just my opinion.


8 posted on 01/03/2005 7:55:57 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: yarddog

And OK State looked horrible against Ohio State, and almost beat OU.


9 posted on 01/03/2005 7:58:13 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Polyxene

Utah was considered a weaker schedule


10 posted on 01/03/2005 8:06:58 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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Yes but that leaves out some great teams. Someone will always be unhappy and feel left out. This year makes a great case for a playoff.

So many teams undefeated and teams like Texas and Cal who had one lost to the teams playing for the championship. I think Cal is a better team then the one that showed up to play TT but who knows. Louisville who only lost one game to a very good Miami team.

Utah and Louisville may not have done well in a strong conference but in a championship you never know what might happen.

To think its the only big time sport that does not have a playoff. Even the lower div. football has a playoff. They have ruined the long tradition of bowl games so I see no reason not to have that playoff. They can switch off like they do now for the big game or they can start a new one.

Maybe Vegas can build a stadium and have it there every year. That would bring a BIG TIME atmosphere to the game and a lot of fun for all those involved.


11 posted on 01/03/2005 8:08:38 AM PST by winodog (I wonder where America would be if we had not lost 40+million in the thirty+ year war)
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To: Polyxene

I agree. Utah earned it and more or less proved it after dismantling a decent Pitt team.


12 posted on 01/03/2005 8:10:21 AM PST by winodog (I wonder where America would be if we had not lost 40+million in the thirty+ year war)
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I should have mentioned that Texas and Cal played OK and USC very very close and almost won. In another matchup they could easily win.


13 posted on 01/03/2005 8:13:12 AM PST by winodog (I wonder where America would be if we had not lost 40+million in the thirty+ year war)
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decent Pitt team

Pitt was not very good this year.

14 posted on 01/03/2005 8:13:17 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

While we're at it, let's give the Longhorns a share.


15 posted on 01/03/2005 8:16:29 AM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: AppyPappy

The best Auburn can hope for is be the #2 ranked team after the dust settles. Claiming that they're playing in the national championship game is ridiculous chest-pounding.


16 posted on 01/03/2005 8:17:24 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: AppyPappy

8 team playoff bracket. have another 8 team bracket analogous to the NIT in basketball. Don't give me any crap about stretching out school because 1-AA does it and high school does it. Just cut one game off the season, get rid of the bowl and the top two playoff teams only play one extra game.


17 posted on 01/03/2005 8:18:33 AM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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No way. The most important thing is the education of the student athlete. Football is just a small part of the college experience for the player. The diploma is the real measure of success.

And if you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.


18 posted on 01/03/2005 8:22:58 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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No way. The most important thing is the education of the student athlete. Football is just a small part of the college experience for the player.

My son hopes to play for Virginia Tech. I'm not sure he's aware that classes are involved.

19 posted on 01/03/2005 8:28:48 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Go Hokies!)
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To: AppyPappy

Auburn has a case - just as USC had last year. There will continue to be questions until a playoff system is devised.

(Someone, (I think Coach Tubberville at Auburn) said that we should go to a network, ask for $150,000,000 or so for a playoff, then split the money with EVERY college, and it would benefit everybody).

My thought on tonight's game (for what it's worth): Auburn will have a true, slobber-knocking battle on their hands with Virginia Tech.

I am in a pool on all the bowl games, and when I looked at this matchup, I decided that these two teams are almost like twins in the way they play. 'Should be hard hitting and close.

...but mebbe not as close at that Arizona State/Purdue game when ASU completed a pass literally as time expired in the fourth quarter!

One of most exciting thus far: Boise State vs Louisville.


20 posted on 01/03/2005 8:32:37 AM PST by Rhetorical pi2
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