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To: Tax-chick
it won't do a lot of good just to condemn bad language/behavior by men. They also need to promote virtuous behavior by women and girls.

That's true. Men actually do want to love women and do like to idealize them. But it's impossible to do either when the women are not worthy of respect.

Many of the black women I know are indeed worthy of respect--they're hard-working, faith-filled, beautiful Christian ladies who are truly "steel roses," at once strong and feminine. But too many others behave like skanks, having four abortions and having all of their illegitimate children by different fathers. How can men respect that? If these women ever said "no" to their men, they would receive more respect.

The trouble is, they have to say no as a group. Because if the individual woman says no to the individual man, he just moves on to a member of the Immoral Majority, the women who are more willing. If the women of America were to stand up as a group and say no--no to immoral behavior, no to low expectations, no to ugly, unfeminine behavior--they might start getting some of the engagement rings they aren't able to get now.

20 posted on 01/03/2005 6:11:43 AM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
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To: Capriole

I also know good, respectable black women and black men. But they're a minority statistically (over 70% of black children illegitimate) and morally. Maybe they're trying to take a stand against the degradation of their community; certainly it's difficult even for middle-class suburban white people!

It's no surprise that hip-hop performers despise women - they're treated like Saudi princes because they have money and fame. In their experience, women will do anything for money, and there's nothing respectable about that!


22 posted on 01/03/2005 6:42:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: Capriole
The trouble is, they have to say no as a group. Because if the individual woman says no to the individual man, he just moves on to a member of the Immoral Majority, the women who are more willing. If the women of America were to stand up as a group and say no--no to immoral behavior, no to low expectations, no to ugly, unfeminine behavior--they might start getting some of the engagement rings they aren't able to get now.

It used to be part of "proper" female culture that the "easy" girls were ostracized, for just this reason: once the number of "easy" girls passes a threshold, the "not so easy" girls are at a severe disadvantage

55 posted on 01/03/2005 1:19:00 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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